But when a woman hits a man it’s different

Female aggression is now increasingly being portrayed and seen as acceptable, and almost a hallmark of an empowered woman. Look for example at some of the speeches made by female celebrities following the election of President Trump in the USA.

The feminist logic appears to be:

  • Women are oppressed
  • Men are oppressors
  • Violence against the oppressors is liberation (Source: ‘Sinisus’)

An example of this ‘it’s different when women do it’ argument can be found in this delusional post by a feminist.

In an earlier article entitled ‘Jennifer Garner: Why I Wanted My Girls to Take Karate‘ (20 November 2014), one of Jennifer’s goals for her daughters is for them “to be able to kick a guy’s ass“.

Ms Garner’s comments aren’t unusual – I have simply chosen hers as but one example of a long line of articles/comments that I have read expressing similar sentiments. This is the flip-side of a culture increasingly being moulded by feminist organisations like ‘White Ribbon Campaign’, whereby female aggression is downplayed or completely ignored whilst male-perpetrated violence is exaggerated.

In July 2014 Whoopi Goldberg started a feminist firestorm with her comments on a US talk show in which she said that women should not hit their partners, and that if they did they should not be surprised if the man hit them back. Feminists have misrepresented Whoopi’s position as being one of supporting men who hit women, but in fact she just said that she supported the position of the innocent party who was hit first (whether that be a man or woman). Her position was that neither party had the right to hit the other.

Inherent in this discussion is the view amongst many feminist women that because men are bigger/stronger [which is not always the case] that men never had the right to hit women, regardless of whether the woman struck the first blow. The video clip of Whoopi’s statement is here, and here are some discussion threads and articles: Vfm article by Paul ElamVfM discussion thread, reddit #1.

David Webb also attracted criticism for daring to suggest that women shouldn’t hit their husbands and boyfriends. Feminist journalist Barbara Ellen thinks that women hitting men is ‘different’ and OK. Kelly Brook thinks hitting her boyfriends is OK, too. Finally the issue was nicely summed-up in this article, with which I wholeheartedly agree.

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See also:

“I kick balls – deal with it”. Slogan used by ‘Sport England’ to promote women’s sport (April 2019) Scroll down to read about a similar 2017 Australian campaign

Layla Moran was wrong to attack her partner. But domestic violence by women is not the same as domestic violence by men (26 March 2019)

Women on the British TV show ‘Loose Women’ discuss the perceived double-standard regarding the portrayal of violence by men and by women (March 2019) Video

Old timey women stabbing handsy men (31 January 2019) Twitter thread started by Rebecca O’Neal

I did a social experiment, male versus female (16 November 2017) Reddit discussion thread

Slag (27 September 2017) Video

Beyond Atomic Blonde: cinema’s long, proud history of violent women (30 August 2017)

How can anyone excuse this abuse of a woman? (29 July 2017)

Bianca Lee Sams speaks out after being punched in face during road rage attack at Doyalson (26 July 2017)

“It doesn’t matter what the circumstances, you don’t punch women, ever”

Swiss feminist on state TV: “It’s okay for women to beat their husbands if they are being stupid (13 June 2017) Reddit discussion thread

Girl beats boy at school (1 June 2017) Article with linked video

Sickening moment bouncer punches woman in the face outside Liverpool bar (18 April 2017) UK. Woman attempting to hit bouncer = not sickening, but bouncer defends himself is.

Woman punches man at Trump rally. Man punches her back. Media reports it as him sucker punching her. Only explanation to describe it as a “sucker punch” is her believing that she wouldn’t get hit back. (18 April 2017)

1,500 acid attacks have been recorded in London since 2011 (13 March 2017) And 3/4 of the victims were men. Reddit discussion thread here.

The secret Facebook page where women brag about violence toward men (4 February 2017) with related Reddit discussion thread here.

Women kicking balls, I’d like to see that (22 January 2017) New TV ad promoting women’s sport. Imagine an ad ‘Men grabbing pussy, I’d like to see that’. Appropriate or humorous? Didn’t work for Don Trump and this one will reflect poorly on the AFL.

I have a short story that has seriously wrecked my mood for a week now, and I need to get it off my chest (14 January 2017) Reddit discussion thread

Man asks for legal advice after slapping his physically abusive girlfriend, comments section accuses him of beating his girlfriend (3 January 2017) Reddit discussion thread. USA

In fiction, girls painfully slap their boyfriends and it’s portrayed as comedic, righteous and deserved. But when a guy does something like grab her wrist that is not nearly as painful, it’s portrayed as dark and abusive (26 December 2016) Reddit men’s rights discussion thread

Joe Mixon videos released (16 December 2016) Video. USA. NB: Hit someone and there’s a good chance you’ll get hit back. Women included. Welcome to equality.

Nova100 radio & Chrissie Swan celebrates the severing of a man’s penis (26 November 2016)

Not so safe: Roz Ward attacks Trump supporter (21 November 2016)

Punch caught on video leaves New Jersey teen fighting for her life (5 November 2016) USA

Sassy misandry is good for business – but assault on men is never funny (1 November 2016)

Viral Video Of Violent Teen Fight Raises Concerns In Vallejo (18 October 2016) Discussed in thread entitled ‘Girl attacks boy. Boy defends himself. Boy is ridiculed on Social Media for putting hands on a girl’

Normalisation of female on male violence in media? (7 October 2016) Reddit mensrights discussion thread

Why ARE modern women so aggressive? It’s been called the dark side of equality – a surge in respectable women flying into violent rages for the most trivial reasons (15 September 2016) with related Reddit discussion thread here

“In 1957, men were responsible for 11 violent offences for every one perpetrated by a woman — today, that is four to one”

“Two in five victims of domestic violence in the UK are men. The number of women prosecuted for it rose from 1,575 in 2004/5 to 4,266 in 2008/9”

‘I Had to Be the Voice of Women’: The First Female Hijacker Shares Her Story (4 August 2016)

This woman hit and hit until her partner eventually lost his temper and hit back (8 June 2016) Video

Fifty shades of Tarzan! ‘Feisty’ Margot Robbie punches Alexander Skarsgard during Legend of Tarzan sex scene (31 March 2016)

I hit my boyfriend first, then he hit me back a lot harder, worse, and more, should I forgive? (August 2015) See comments

When it comes to MMA star Ronda Rousey, is there a domestic violence double standard? (12 November 2015)

Feminist collective supports violence against men’s rights advocates (14 September 2015) Australian video

Japan’s ‘Black Widow’ Arrested Again After Poisoning Her Eighth Male Victim (11 September 2015) and related reddit discussion thread

Assaulted in bar last night (August 2015)

Maxim Magazine — A publication for men — joins in the celebration of the woman who allegedly lit her boyfriend’s penis on fire for cheating (19 August 2015)

Libyan symbol of freedom now facing years behind bars (1 August 2015) and related reddit discussion thread

Patriarchy vs Facts: Domestic Violence (PART I) (23 June 2015) Video

New York City commuter fights manspreaders by sitting on them (7 June 2015)

Very important pussy (4 June 2015)

Preston boxer struck woman’s face (19 May 2015) and related reddit mensrights discussion thread

Footage shows Indian woman body-slamming man at train station (4 March 2015) Reading between the lines here, there is no reason to assume that this was not simply an unprovoked act of violence by the women … except feminism

Teen Reportedly Threw Acid on Her Boyfriend’s Penis (4 February 2015)

Don’t hit me, I’m a girl! (26 December 2011)

ISIS women recruits: What life is really like (30 January 2015)

Feminists Rely on “Men Shouldn’t Hit Women” To Get Away With Hitting Men – Compilation (25 January 2015)

Wife chops off cheating husband’s penis, twice (14 January 2015) Somehow I don’t think a story about a man cutting off his wife’s breast would be given the same whimsical treatment as per this article

The ‘Manslamming’ campaign is literally a campaign for slamming into men and then claiming they slammed into you (12 January 2015)

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/2pmn5w/over_in_raskwomen_femaleonmale_domestic_violence/ (December 2014)

When you’re a boy you can get beat up and it’s totally fine (3 December 2014)

#BBCtrending: Indian sisters beat up another man in new video (2 December 2014) Further developments on that incident here.

Why I won’t teach my boys not to hit girls (24 November 2014)

‘The View’ Co-Hosts On NYC Subway Brawl Video: ‘She Needed To Get Slapped Back’ (12 November 2014)

Have you ever beaten up a boyfriend? Cause, Uh, we have an article that appeared in Jezebel in August 2007, with commentary/rebuttal by MRA Janet Bloomfield (and here)

Woman goes crazy when man says hello (3 September 2013) Video

Initiation of domestic violence increases risk of violence‘ (6 August 2009)

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Other posts in this blog most closely related to this topic:

On violence carried out by women and girls

Differing public response to partner violence depending on gender of victim

How men are portrayed … Haw Haw Haw! The jokes on us

Regarding the notion of ‘Ironic Misandry’

Regarding gender reversal and sexist double-standards

The Men’s Rights forum on reddit.com makes for great reading if you want to get a quick handle on gender issues from a non-feminist perspective. The forum often features discussion threads that exemplify the frequently outrageous double-standards disseminated by the feminist movement and mainstream media alike.

Here’s a selection of alternative scenarios wherein which one might do well to flip genders and re-assess the situation …

Feminist MP Layla Moran admits to being the latest female perpetrator of domestic violence in Parliament (24 March 2019) UK. And now I’d recommend scanning a relevant Twitter feed, after looking at these comments by Ally Fogg.

BBC berates male domestic violence victim for speaking out – names sexist bursary scheme in honour of his abuser (28 November 2017)

MMA fighter outright refuses to pose with ring girl following harassment claim (26 November 2018)

Racy ad campaign featuring naked men called out for being ‘sexist’ (15 October 2017)

New Data Reveals Fat Women Don’t Like Fat Men And They Demand You Be OK With It (9 October 2017)

5 Proven Reasons There’s Merit In Sticking It To Your Ex (11 August 2017)

Rape juries to hear more about men’s sexual history to increase chance of conviction (8 August 2017)

Jack Wilson’s budgie smugglers almost eclipsed the Ninja Warrior finale (26 July 2017)

Cristiano Ronaldo in underwear goes viral faster: #RonaldoFaster Commercial (11 July 2017) Imagine if this was a female athlete?

New low for UK national newspaper ‘The Independent’, as headline explains away a BBC paedophile abusing a CHILD as her “performing a sex act on a young MAN because it was EMPOWERING to her”. Feminist bias and hypocrisy over abuse reporting is worst I’ve ever seen (3 June 2017) Reddit discussion thread here.

‘Body shaming’ Playboy model Dani Mathers says her privacy was invaded along with her victim’s (1 June 2017) Now reverse the genders. Imagine the howls if a male perpetrator got slap on the wrist punishment and then complained about the invasion of his privacy!

Barbara Kay: No consequences for women who “stealth” men (12 May 2017)

Can you imagine the furore if genders were switched with this news.com.au story about female sex-tourists enjoying the skills of male Balinese prostitutes?

Facebook investigating Bad Girls Advice following claims its breaches Community Standards (27 April 2017)

It’s OK to fat-shame as long as the target is male (10 March 2017) UK

Basketball team blasted for ‘sexist’ poster showing close up of woman’s exposed breasts (7 March 2017)

“The club also released a picture of a topless male model, complete with sixpack, for the big match — but it was the women’s poster which did not escape the wrath of social media.” Because … and despite …

Emma Watson on Vanity Fair cover: ‘Feminism is about giving women choice’ (6 March 2017)

The following is “Proudly supported by the Australian Government” through “The Australian Council for the Arts” (21 February 2017) Reddit discussion thread and linked resources. Can you imagine the uproar if this was written about white women? How quickly the relevant gov’t agency would distance themselves from the author?

All-male singing group subject to protests whilst all-female singing group at same Uni, not so much (14 February 2017)

‘Elephant donger’: I’m A Celeb girl talk turns filthy over Kris Smith (31 January 2017) Care for some casual objectification of men?

Women kicking balls? I’d like to see that (22 January 2017) a new TV ad campaign to support women’s sport. Good goal, poorly executed … let’s continue making light of female violence. And in terms of gender-reversal … ‘Men grabbing pussy? I’d like to see that‘ saw unending scorn being poured forth upon Donald Trump … and switching genders doesn’t make it suddenly funny.

Comment about female sports reporters in male changing rooms (21 December 2016)

Nova 100 radio & Chrissie Swan celebrates the severing of a man’s penis (26 November 2016)

Wilderness School girls under fire for ‘hook-up wall’ of boys, who claim a double standard of sexual objectification (11 November 2016) with related Reddit discussion thread here.

The Acceptable Bigotry of Michelle Obama (October 2016)

Perth man says he won’t date women who are ‘over 30 and overweight’ (5 October 2016) Article neglects to mention that women cut off men as abruptly as this (due to some perceived deficiency re: money/career/height/car/etc) every  single day. The difference is man complains about getting rebuffed = loser/creep, whereas woman complains about getting rebuffed = victim/hero. Related Reddit discussion thread here.

Domestic violence double standards – male MP was forced to stand down when cautioned for assaulting partner yet Sarah Champion receives support for same crime (26 September 2016) UK. More on that issue here and here.

I’m tired of being ashamed of my micro-penis‘ (25 September 2016) And no, I don’t anticipate a companion piece about a woman with an extremely loose vagina because it’s only OK to objectify/demean men with click-bait rubbish like this.

10 years jail versus no jail: Guess which sex-offender was female?

There’s nothing shameful about this body (9 September 2016) Goodlooking guys have no right to feel objectified (only women can do that)

Feminist MP who sought suspension of Philip Davies for “sexism” attended gender segregated rally & was elected via all-women shortlist (16 August 2016)

Journalists have used the 2016 Olympics in Rio as as opportunity to yet again demonstrate how objectification of men is OK, whilst simultaneously ranting about alleged objectification of female athletes:

Apparently NBC allows its female hosts to fondle topless athletes on live TV (8 August 2016) Again, anyone remember the Chris Gayle incident in Australia? I’m surprised this incident didn’t make it into Cosmopolitan‘s ‘Most Sexist Moments of the 2016 Olympics‘. No, I’m not, because you can’t be sexist towards men, right?

36 of the Greatest Summer Olympic Bulges (3 August 2016) Cosmopolitan provides this classic display of sexist double-standards, after previously publishing an article entitled ‘Confirmed: Why men who objectify women are effing horrible‘. In a subsequent article the author makes a weak attempt at justifying publication of the earlier article. And here’s Cosmo at it again a couple of weeks later.

Reader’s comment: “It’s all very simple. Admiring female beauty is wrong. Admiring male physiques is right. When you replace ‘objectification’ with ‘admire’, you illustrate how moronic the concept is. I have asked feminists the difference between objectification and admiration, and the answer is some purported subtle difference in attitude in the mind of the beholder. Rather conveniently, only a feminist can tease this difference out, like a French pig sniffing for truffles.” (Source).

This feminist takes the classic perspective that it’s different for women to objectify men because women don’t abuse or assault men, etc. See related Reddit discussion thread here.

Another magazine, The Berry, followed Cosmo’s lead. See related Reddit discussion here. Oh, and here comes pro-feminist news.com.au’s equally tasteless and hypocritical contribution entitled ‘We need to talk about the men’s rowing uniform’

Man denies his penis ended his Olympics dream (18 August 2016) Oh look, another Olympics male objectification story. But the author informs us that it’s all in jest, so it’s OK

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Body shaming is horrible, unless it’s against men (21 August 2016)

Personal trainer claims he was dropped from Loose Women for ‘refusing to take my top off’ (18 July 2016) UK with related Reddit discussion thread here

Lesbian MMA fighter celebrates championship win by kissing announcer (10 May 2016) Anyone remember the Chris Gayle incident?

Spurned lover daubs graffiti over ‘cheating’ partner’s Range Rover (5 May 2016) Can you imagine these comments being printed if the “spurned lover” was male?

“Bemused onlookers praised the scorned woman’s courage as the alleged love rat jumped in his car and sped off. Stylist Connie Nakala, 28, said: “She’s brilliant. An inspiration to all women everywhere!” While Associate Nitin Sharma, 30, said: “She was very brave to do it. And good for her.””

Hulk Hogan called a ‘wuss’ by hypocritical American talk show host (23 March 2016)

Madonna strips girl to reveal her breast part. Where are the feminists? (19 March 2016) Australia

Boy and girl, both 16, have consensual sex–only the boy faces statutory rape charges (17 March 2016) Ireland

Kentucky court rules in underage sex case involving teens (17 March 2016) USA

Why do so few men turn up to hear women speak? by Ruby Hamad (10 March 2016) Australia with related Reddit discussion thread here. No reciprocal responsibility for feminists to attend MRA events. My blog post on this issue is here.

It’s OK to objectify men on The Morning Show (2 February 2016) Australia

WATCH: ‘Can you take your shirt off?’ Dakota Johnson and Leslie Mann hit on reporter (2 February 2016) This incident was also covered in this article by Martin Daubney

Win a date with Doctor Mike! (18 January 2016) Hands up who doesn’t think we will see ‘Win a date with Doctor Vanessa!’ anytime soon?

In this incident a female sports presenter made disparaging on-air comments about the appearance of a football player, but when he responded like-for-like then HE was the one subject to public criticism (14 January 2016)

“They’ll shame young men who move away from marriage but when a woman does it she’s being independent” (6 November 2015) Reddit discussion thread and linked article

Women are allowed to objectify men because (8 September 2015) and related reddit discussion thread

Hey, that’s *our* trick!, by Dalrock (1 May 2015)

Royal tragic kisses Harry and proposes – for third time (7 May 2015) Stalker commits (sexual?) assault but it’s said to be “cheeky” and a source of humour – after all the perp is only a girl. In this article the commission of this crime is said to “delight” the crowd.

‘Australia’s hottest men’ on the Sunrise TV show (31 March 2015) Video

What would happen if a female TV host was discussed by male journalists in this manner? (31 March 2015)

20 Feminist Headlines That Would Count As Hate Speech If They Were Written About Jews, by Janet Bloomfield (24 March 2015)

When ladies rule (22 November 2014)

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A men-only UN conference on gender equality? If only it was a joke (7 October 2014)

Female rapist pursues statutory rape victim for child support (2 September 2014)

Is it acceptable for the BBC to say this about men? (3 September 2014)

Eight benefits of dating a younger man (27 August 2014) Read this article carefully and then imagine the sexes were reversed. Would the article have been published? What would the public reaction have been?

Why we objectify men without guilt (21 August 2014)

Why Britain’s women are allowed to sexually objectify men (19 October 2014)

Full frontal Disney: Feminism’s Nudity Double Standard (19 August 2014)

Thought experiment: Let’s reverse the sexes in this story about drunk shaming (2 August 2014)

Video contrasts negative consequences of domestic violence for Chris Brown with the success of husband beater Mary J. Bilge. Feminists downvote it to oblivion (2013) Reddit discussion thread with linked video

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/25co9f/another_rant_about_coworkers_and_manning_up/

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/25cm81/the_other_woman_three_men_gang_up_to_take_vicious/

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/25cr74/americas_first_lady_would_do_well_to_remember/

http://www.hireahubby.com.au/residential-services/about-hire-a-hubby.php Can you imagine the public reaction to someone starting a business called “Hire a wife”?

Alex from Target gets objectified, but it’s ok because Alex is a boy (November 2014) Related reddit discussion thread here and a follow-up article here

Halle attacks Gabriel as a deadbeat who is using child support to avoid having to work. She says, “There is no case, no law, no logic that says a healthy, active man gets to simply live off child support that the wealthier mother earns.”‘ (3 November 2014) Reddit discussion thread and linked article

Sexist double standards? They’re mostly against men via @RationalMale (4 September 2014)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E07ulYo_H2s

“If a fraternity posted a sign that branded certain women “sluts,” does anyone seriously think the fraternity would not be punished for that? That the school’s president wouldn’t condemn it and call for an investigation and hearings? That Bwog and like-minded progressive outlets wouldn’t have a conniption? But it’s okay to distribute flyers calling certain men rapists. (And which is worse, being called a “slut” or a “rapist”?)

Only in the loopy world of academia and progressive media outlets would such a double standard be deemed acceptable.” A comment by Pierce Harlan at http://www.avoiceformalestudents.com/vigilante-rape-hysteria-at-columbia-university/

Read how this author, Barbara Ellen, rationalises that having sex with underage students is OK if the student is a teenage boy – This shameful liaison does not deserve prison (29 November 2009). Then in a later article Barbara goes on to explain that intimate partner violence is not so bad if the person doing the hitting is female – Solange and Jay-Z: It’s simply not the same if a man is hit by a woman (18 May 2014). Thankfully, there then followed two sound rebuttals by Ally Fogg and Jonathan Taylor. And a March 2015 McCain article on the issue.

This is progress, I think? Huffpo uses the term “rape” for a female teacher and a male minor. Note that two other news sources didn’t use the R-word (6 November 2014) Reddit mensrights discussion thread and linked article

Here is another article on the Jay Z Solange incident – Another side of the double standard (20 May 2014)

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See also:

34 Men Discuss Society’s Insane Double Standards That Favor Women And Hurt Men, by Lorenzo Jensen III (7 February 2017)

A Long Island Bar’s Age Policy Differs for Men and Women. Is It Legal? (10 August 2016) USA

The Confused Male: Do women really want what they say they want? (3 May 2016) UK

This is the moment Sunrise’s Nuala Hafner asked a ‘muscly man’ on a beach if he was single live on national TV – a year before Chris Gayle sleazed onto Mel McLaughlin. So what’s the difference? (6 January 2016)

Upset By Gayle’s Lechery? Remember Sharapova Flirting With This Journalist? (5 January 2016)

Nikkole Paulun and How the Media Brain Washes Men into Serving Deadbeat Moms (6 January 2016) USA

Chivalry but equality: The feminist double-standard, by Prentice Reid (21 April 2015)

No-Questions-Asked Safe Haven Baby Abandonment Law now in all 50 US States /w No Financial nor Legal Penalty For Women Only. Men Still Shackled With Debilitating Child Support Obligations. No Safe Haven Child Abandonment Exists For Men (22 March 2015) Reddit mensrights discussion thread and linked article

Two Teens Have Sex. Neither Could Legally Consent, But Only the Boy Gets a Felony Charge (10 March 2015)

Australian breakfast TV show ‘Sunrise’ covers the ‘cougar’ phenomenon (26 February 2015) Older men+younger women is creepy and exploitative, but older women+younger guys is funny/harmless or even empowering. You know, a case of ‘go girl’.

The Feminist View from a comfortable armchair (20 February 2015)

Five male university students accused of sexual assault are suing the school — and you will enjoy the school’s response  (6 February 2015)

What statements/generalizations about men are you tired of hearing from women? (6 February 2015) A reddit mensrights discussion thread

http://do-feminists-kno.tumblr.com/ Contains several examples of feminist hypocrisy and double-standards

[Study] Men who treat women the same as they treat other men, without benevolent sexism/female privilege, are seen as overwhelmingly sexist by both men and women (15 January 2015) Academic thesis and associated Reddit mensrights discussion thread

Observations from my time in menswear (6 November 2014) Reddit mensrights discussion thread

‘Good Men Project’ article about how men should accept abusive girlfriends (25 August 2014)

The ‘Fappening’ and Media Hypocrisy (3 September 2014) This video concerns the hacking & leaking of nude celebrity pics

Judge asks, Why are only boys charged with underage sex? (29 May 2014)

Double standards – Feminism’s sorry record on the subject of rape (31 March 2014)

Down boy! On training your man like a puppy (1 August 2014) This one would go down like a bomb if a man wrote it about woman, but because it’s about men it’s (meant to be) funny. Yeah right

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