When men have a daughter (another tale of male-blaming and silencing)

At the time of writing the Weinstein affair remains an ongoing and evolving media phenomenon. The hypocrisy of this one does my head in.

Imagine … All men being demonised for being the same gender as the alleged perpetrator at the centre of a major scandal. Men offer comments supportive of female victims of sexual harassment, and condemnatory of male perpetrators, but are dismissed or even shamed for doing so. Meanwhile other men are shamed for not commenting.

Men subseqently re-frame/qualify their thoughts/feelings in the light of well-publicised research – research that proposes that men understand and empathise with women better when they have sisters, wives and daughters. Men are then shamed on the basis that their amended and qualified message of support doesn’t treat women as humans.

Men, the beasts that they are, just can’t seem to say or do the right thing.

Women are a different kettle of fish. It goes without saying that nowhere, nowhere are they responsible. For anything. Not for being victims or alleged victims. Not for helping Harvey trick/lure women into private meetings in hotel rooms (their excuse). Not for willingly following the casting-couch route to financial rewards. Not for remaining silent when they knew what was going on, in many cases accepting payment for doing so. And absolutely not, for they themselves harassing others.

Note that I have addressed the topic of harassment in the workplace in another blog post. This current post is more about feminist shaming, bitterness and hypocrisy set against the backdrop of the media furore surrounding Harvey Weinstein’s real and alleged misbehaviour.

Feminists have long been telling men – even feminist men – that they have no legitimate right to talk about feminism, or about specific topics that they (feminists) consider to be women’s issues. They typically assert that men have no understanding of women’s lived experience, and have nothing worthwhile to contribute. Here’s a recent Australian example.

As a consequence men are most reluctant to offer up public comment on such matters. This situation is addressed in the following blog posts:

Beware the ire of an angry feminist
Nice guys, nice guys™ and the friendzone
A feminist laments: “Why do so few men turn up to hear women speak?”
Karen Straughan and others on feminist shaming tactics

The media informs us however that men move one rung up the ladder when they have wives and/or daughters. See for yourself – just do a google search using terms such as “when men have a daughter” or “men change after having daughter”. Year in and year out, article after article based on this assertion:

Why the best words a dad can hear are… It’s a girl! (7 June 2017)
Men Really Do Get Less Sexist When They Have Daughters (3 June 2017)

This is the backdrop to the emergence of the Weinstein affair. Or at least the October 2017 version thereof. Because, as we are finding out more each day, plenty of people were ‘in the know’ before now.

The first development after the publication of the initial allegations was men being blamed for not speaking out against Harvey Weinstein. See for example:

Hollywood men silent over Weinstein allegations as women speak out (11 October 2017), with a later contribution being … Men who are silent after #MeToo: it’s time to speak up (20 October 2017)

Sure enough, after being given what they assumed to be the media’s ‘green light’ to enter the debate, more men spoke out to condemn Weinstein and/or to condemn the problem of sexual harassment generally.

Thus the next wave of outrage was in relation to men speaking out against Weinstein, especially those mentioning that they were motivated to do so, in part, because they had wives/daughters. Some examples of the media coverage include:

You don’t need to be a father to stand up to abusers. You need to believe women (13 October 2017)

Some questions for the “Fathers of daughters” condemning Harvey Weinstein (13 October 2017)

Men don’t need to have daughters to be concerned about women (13 October 2017)

People Are Dragging Men Who Say They Care About Rape Culture Because They Have A Daughter (12 October 2017)

Does any reasonable person seriously believe that men referencing the girls/women in their lives meant women any disrepect? Think of any other instance where this ‘logic’ has been proposed, because I can’t. I can think, for example of discussions regarding childhood disability or illness whereby parents comment along the lines of “as a parent of a child with autism …“. Were those parents insinuating that their autistic kids were less than human?

Then there was the push-back against the push-back. Men are mostly guilty and should do more to stop themselves and their brothers, including but not limited to public self-flagellation:

Dear Men: It’s you, too (19 October 2017) by Roxane Gay & attracting 1,397 readers comments

How men can help after Weinstein and #MeToo (22 October 2017)

“After the flood of #MeToo posts, critics charged that the hashtag continues to put the onus on victims to speak up while letting men off the hook. In response, some have shared lists of tips on how men can stop this behaviour from flourishing.”

And to remove any doubt about who’s wearing the pants in this debate, the usual feminist voices pressed long and hard on the ‘all men are responsible’ button:

It’s not the job of “Hollywood women” to ‘fix’ sexual harassment (12 October 2017)

The men who kept Harvey Weinstein’s secrets safe are all around us (11 October 2017)

Harvey Weinstein Scandal: Men In Hollywood Staying Silent? | The View (10 October 2017) Video. Reddit discussion thread here

Oh, and for any other men who dared offer an opinion, because “… some people – and more particularly, men – seem to think that it’s not the feelings of the alleged victims that matter. No, it’s actually their feelings that are important.”

Men of Hollywood – don’t make this Harvey Weinstein situation about you (13 October 2017)

‘Cancel the Christmas party’: 2017’s the year of the ‘confused’ man (16 November 2017) Rather than working with men to resolve confusion about what constitutes appropriate behaviour, feminist journo prefers to mock for what she sees as a weak ‘excuse’. Anything but helpful.

As is usually the case, any rebuttal was muted and provided by male-positive writers like Martin Daubney and Kathy Gyngell:

This #MeToo witch-hunt will destroy women’s happiness (23 October 2017)

Weinstein’s actions are revolting – but don’t tell me all men are to blame (11 October 2017)

So male voices were silenced again and the debate wrested back into the hands of feminists/liberals satisfying their ongoing imperative to control the narrative. But things didn’t entirely go their way, as derailments followed (and continue to this day), namely:

Articles highlighting the hypocrisy of the Hollywood democrat/leftist elite in turning the backs for so long, and regarding Harvey Weinstein as an archtypical nice guy & supporter of feminism, for example:

“Weinstein, the reports noted, had been a prominent donor to causes that address gender inequality, especially in the entertainment industry” (Source)

Harvey Weinstein and Feminism (19 October 2017)

Watch When Barbara Walters and The View Coverup For Harvey Weinstein Types (15 October 2017)

Jane Fonda: I knew about Weinstein, and I’m ‘ashamed’ I didn’t say anything (12 October 2017)

Ah but of course the feminist lobby will never admit weakness or fault, so their strategy here is to double-down on their ongoing ‘feminist men aren’t feminists’ offensive (example, with more in the opening section of this blog post).

Articles highlighting the elements of dog-piling, misandry, vengeance and hysteria that is occurring, for example:

#MeToo: A moral panic about men (18 October 2017)

Male Victim Erasure and Backlash in #MeToo Campaign (17 October 2017)

The hysteria in the Harvey Weinstein scandal (12 October 2017)

Finally, I note that mention has yet to be made of sexual harassment perpetrated by influential women. There has, however, been some limited and peripheral acknowledgement of the harassment of men/boys by men:

Corey Feldman celebrates ‘turning of the tide’ on Hollywood sex abuse (17 October 2017)

Hollywood’s Other ‘Open Secret’ Besides Harvey Weinstein: Preying on Young Boys (16 October 2017)

Weinstein saga leads James Van Der Beek to share personal story of sexual harassment (12 October 2017)

Actor Terry Crews recalls being sexually assaulted by Hollywood exec (11 October 2017)

In closing, Cathy Young has written an excellent article that touches on a number of the issues mentioned above.

See also:

Paul Elam’s take on this topic from a Red Pill perspective
This piece by Gideon Scopes entitled ‘Rethinking Gender, Sexuality and Violence’, This article by D.C MacAllister in the The Federalist

Women in politics fear #MeToo moment will backfire — and they’ll be the ones punished (12 December 2017)

A panic is not an answer: We’re at imminent risk of turning this #metoo moment into a frenzied rush to blame all men (26 November 2017) by Christina Hoff Summers

Kathy Gyngell: The silence of the males (13 November 2017)

Knee-touching MPs? I took advantage of men to get ahead at Westminster: By Spectator columnist MELISSA KITE, who admits flirting shamelessly to get scoops (14 November 2017)

The #MeToo sexual harassment hysteria is a pretext for women to take power and money from men (21 December 2017)

Other posts in this blog related to this topic include:

Don’t look at me! No wait. Look at me!
Girls showing their bits = empowerment? patriarchal exploitation? self-indulgence? other?
#HeForShe: Men pressed into service with nary a hint of ‘quid pro quo’
Nice guys, nice guys™ and the friendzone
On Gender Traitors, White Knights and Manginaso

Dissing shy guys and fat women: Yep, another feminist double-standard

Shyness is the feeling of apprehension, lack of comfort, or awkwardness especially when a person is in proximity to other people. This commonly occurs in new situations or with unfamiliar people.

Obesity is a medical condition in which excess body fat has accumulated to the extent that it may have a negative effect on health, leading to reduced life expectancy and/or increased health problems.

Both shyness and obesity have a physiological, psychological/behavioural and genetic dimension. To some extent, and depending on the individual, both shyness and obesity may be involuntary rather than chosen patterns of behaviour. In both cases certain negative stereotypes are assigned to members of these two groups by people of both genders. So while they are different issues, they are also similar in some ways.

Despite these similarities, however, the feminist approach to these two groups of people is quite different. Many feminists think that dissing shy guys is perfectly acceptable because they recognise them as losers, sociopaths and/or misogynists. On the other hand feminists stridently assert that dissing fat women is reprehensible, and that such women deserve our respect and support. Why is this so?

It is worth noting that the feminist attitude towards shy guys is inconsistent not just in relation to their approach to chunky women, but also with respect to negative feminist attitudes towards stereotypically masculine patterns of behaviour, particularly assertive and controlling behaviours.

Shy guys:

Just google on ‘shy guys misogynist’, ‘shy guys MRA’ or ‘shy guys sociopath’ and you’ll quickly uncover feminist/white knight gems like these:

The plight of the bitter nerd: Why so many awkward, shy guys end up hating feminism (10 January 2015)

http://loveshyguys.tumblr.com/

Are nice guys sociopaths? by David Futrelle (19 August 2011)

Finally, this article by Ian Miles Cheong discusses feminist concerns regarding the nerdy men portrayed in the TV series ‘The Big Bang Theory’ (3 September 2017)

Fat women:

Is Fat a Feminist Issue? Exploring the Gendered Nature of Weight Bias (19 June 2011)

14 Painful Examples Of Everyday Fat-Shaming (16 December 2013)

10 Frightening Ways We Discriminate Against Fat People (27 September 2013)

This author dares to suggest hypocrisy when comparing feminist outrage about ‘manspreading’ versus the shaming of fat women – and is rubbished by feminist readers (27 June 2015)

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On gender traitors, white knights and manginas

As I discussed in another post within this blog, feminists often display a generous measure of spitefulness and intolerance towards those who don’t share their jaundiced view of the world. The degree of loathing demonstrated seems to depend in part on where people rank in the following list (with one being most loathed):

  1. Female men’s rights activists
  2. Male men’s rights activists
  3. Female celebrities who openly refuse to be labelled as feminists (example: Salma Hayek)
  4. Other women who openly refuse to be labelled as feminists (see this post and here)
  5. Men who claim to be feminists (example)
  6. Everyone else not in their own particular clique

I don’t recall having seen the term ‘gender traitor’ used within a men’s rights web site or forum. Nevertheless, when I googled that term, for some reason I half expected to bring up a list of sites towards the harsher fringes of the so-called ‘Manosphere’. Perhaps this is a hang-over from all those long years of gynocentric brain-washing that I’ve endured.

No, what I found instead was sites where the term ‘gender traitor’ was used by feminist women … sites such as these:

http://www.skepticink.com/skepticallyleft/2012/11/01/gender-traitor-solidarity
http://www.democraticunderground.com/111411793

Interestingly also, when I review the search terms that people use to find my blog, I’ve noted several examples like “Erin Pizzey traitor” or “Karen Straughan traitor” (these being well-known men’s rights activists). And just recently an Australian journalist, Corrine Barraclough, was accused of being a traitor after calling for a gender-neutral approach to domestic violence.

This use of ‘gender traitor’ and other similar terms conflicts with this statement by a feminist writer: “Interesting that feminists do not have a derogatory word for women who are not active in their movement. Maybe men could just respect each other’s opinions and win minds with logic.”

Whilst browsing social media and the WWW, two terms that one may also encounter are ‘White Knight’ and ‘Mangina’. These terms tend, however, to be used with more of a sense of bemusement or mild disgust, rather than white hot anger. It is important to note also, that neither term are used in a blanket sense, i.e. to refer to all men who don’t support the men’s rights agenda. And in fact, many within the men’s rights movement reject the use of the term ‘mangina’ entirely, seeing it as inherently misogynistic.

White Knights are mainly driven by a sense of chivalry, impulsively responding to the impromptu cultural cue of a ‘damsel in distress’. Often white knights are largely ignorant of the nature of both feminism and the men’s rights movement. The historical derivation of the concept of a White Knight is discussed in this blog post.

Here is a recent example of ‘White Knight’ behaviour. Whilst I respect Ian Chappell as a person, his suggestion that cricketer Chris Gayle be banned from playing is an absurdly ‘over-the-top’ response to a relatively benign misdemeanour.

purse_poochWhereas ‘white knights’ can be ingenues in the context of the gender debate, manginas are active and informed. Manginas often consider themselves to be feminists. They are frequently wilfuly persistent in seeking out opportunities to compromise the efforts of those wishing to advance particular objectives of the men’s rights movement and/or counter aspects of feminist ideology.

This is the way one fellow explained the difference between the two:

“A white knight is a man who will mindlessly defend a woman even when she is in the wrong, particularly if he does it out a misguided hope of impressing women with his honor. White knights are not necessarily feminists; they may be traditionalists as well. Women, not just feminists, will manipulate white knights into attacking other men for their own ends (or even just amusement).

A mangina is a man who has embraced the misandry of radical feminism and uses it to denigrate and smear other men in a pathetic attempt to make himself look better by comparison or to specifically curry the favor of feminist women.

A white knight will attack you physically, a mangina will just accuse you of being an exemplar of toxic masculinity. A white knight may be a very masculine man, a mangina never is.” (Source)

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See also:

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Male feminist, Jason Dion Bews, assaults female reporter then women cover his escape into the crowd (24 January 2017) Canada. Will this practice, feminists employing male muscle to fight their fights, become more common? If they get caught, meh, disavow & blame toxic masculinity!

The gendered nature of trolling, by Cory Zanoni (7 October 2016) An example of a mangina in action, employed by a web site widely-recognised for the degree of gender bias which it practices (example).

Things we could celebrate on an International Men’s Day, by Ben McLeay (7 March 2016) Another example of the handiwork of a mangina.

A more aggressive version of a ‘White Knight’ (20 January 2016) UK

Men Cannot Be Feminists, So Let’s Talk About Diversity Instead (10 December 2015) Australia

Beware the Self-Proclaimed Male Feminist (1 December 2015)

Philip Davies: ‘politically correct males pander to militant feminists’ (20 November 2015) UK

Gender identity triangle (3 June 2015) You Tube video

Masculinity, Positive Masculinity, and the White Knight as a Perversion of Masculinity (9 May 2015)

TV ad #4 Gender Traitor? Woman Hater? What kind of women think so? Divorce Attorney Marilyn York  (29 April 2015)

On White Knight syndrome (undated) India

7 reasons why dating feminist men truly sucks by Janet Bloomfield (14 November 2014)

The #GamerGate White Knight syndrome (18 October 2014)

Wanna be a Male Feminist? Okay, here’s what you have to do by Janet Bloomfield (9 August 2013)

Why so few men protest anti-male sexism (Or: Why men fear women) (23 January 2012) Some background to understanding why many men are, the way they are – see also my post on ‘chivalry’.

The One Good Man‘ by Alison Tieman (16 March 2011)

White Knight Syndrome

Manginas – Betrayers of men (20 August 2008)

LibDem Mangina Richard Reeves calls for more housework to be done by men for women (8 March 2013)

The failed manhood of white knights (23 May 2012) by Paul Elam

A Youtube video on what feminism does to men

‘It’s not a contradiction for men to discriminate against other men’ (14 July 2014)

http://manhood101.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=205

http://drewspective.com/2011.11/misandry-distinguishing-lied-to-men-from-white-knights-manginas-pussy-beggars/

Feminism as a mating strategy among beta males (30 June 2014)

#DearFeministMen, there are some people who value your opinions and experiences (2 August 2014)

The Rise of the Mangina (27 November 2013)

Other related posts within this blog:

On chivalry
What did you call me? On labelling and language in gender discourse
Nice guys, nice guys™ and the friendzone (working draft)

On chivalry

Upon entering the search term ‘feminist good manners’ into google one day, one of the first papers to crop up was one entitled No chivalry, thanks”.

The author of that article sought to differentiate between the notion of ‘good manners/politeness’ on the one hand and ‘chivalry’ on the other. Her position was that good manners are mostly OK, whilst ‘chivalry’ is bad. I agree with her that chivalry can be a negative factor … but not for the reason she states.

Let’s detour for a moment to visit www.thefreedictionary.com, where upon entering the term “good manners” we bring up the following related words:

  • courtesy
  • personal manner, manner – a way of acting or behaving
  • niceness, politeness – a courteous manner that respects accepted social usage
  • urbanity – polished courtesy; elegance of manner
  • graciousness – excellence of manners or social conduct
  • chivalry, politesse, gallantry – courtesy towards women
  • respectfulness, deference, respect – courteous regard for people’s feelings; “in deference to your wishes”; “out of respect for his privacy”
  • civility – formal or perfunctory politeness

The definition of the term ‘chivalry’, on the other hand, includes “The qualities idealized by knighthood, such as bravery, courtesy, honor, and gallantry toward women”, and “kindness and courteousness especially towards women or the weak”.

Back now to the ‘No chivalry, thanks‘ article where the author takes aim at two criticisms of feminism, which she describes as being:

The “cake and eat it too” complaint: “This anti-feminist argument says that women want to be independent and strong when it’s convenient for them, but they don’t want to lose the option for men to buy them dinner, open doors, and all around make them feel special. We want all the rights afforded to men, but that we also want to be treated better than men. Feminists want special, not equal, treatment, or in other words, they want their cake and to eat it too”, and

The “feminists hate manners!” complaint: “Other anti-feminists have chosen to smack-talk feminism by claiming that any stance which truly speaks out against chivlary (sic) is actually an affront to good manners.”

The author indicates that she’d “like to dismantle these complaints”, but in fact her views only serve to reinforce the validity of those complaints whilst undermining the feminist perspective generally. Her comments include:

The core of my disdain for chivalry is that it’s rooted in a gendered premise. Its very notion is that women need special assistance and wooing, which I flat out disagree with. Given this, I can say fully that I do not want or expect chivalry. In that way, the “cake and eat it too” complaint is nonsense to me. I do not want any person to look at me and treat me differently based off of (sic) my gender, even if that treatment is favourable.

(Mod: My emphasis added. LOL … I think we could readily find a plethora of exceptions to that with respect to feminist goals and achievements generally!)

“The same goes for stereotypes of all sorts–just because something is “nice” (ie Asians are so smart!) doesn’t make it any less racist. So with chivalry, just because it’s “friendly,” doesn’t make it any less sexist.”

“All in all, I simply feel that chivalry and feminism are inherently incompatible. I would never expect to be treated both equally and special. That’s an oxymoron. In fact, I’m not entirely sure that there are women who actually are advocating for both. Yes, some women want chivalry, but I would suspect they do not typically identify as feminists. To me, it seems a to be a straw man situation, as is the claim that feminists are really attacking manners. Nevertheless, it is important for us to understand the arguments used against our viewpoints, no matter how trivial.”

So in short, many feminists abhor chivalry because they perceive it as a pattern of behaviour intended to subjugate and patronise women, and as a manifestation of what they term ‘benevolent sexism‘.

Ah, but it gets confusing. In yet another of their breathtaking displays of hypocrisy, feminists strongly rely upon and encourage chivalry to achieve their goals. Look at all the calls for men to mobilise against other men in stopping domestic abuse and rape. Consider the #HeForShe campaign and many other similar campaigns. In none of these examples do feminists call for, or support, corresponding  campaign for women to support men or men’s rights.

In contrast, the core of my ambivalence in relation to chivalry is that:

  • I believe in gender equality, and chivalry cannot and should not exist where there is true equality
  • Chivalry is the fuel that drives the actions of ‘white knights’, men who make it their duty to hamper progress on raising awareness and acceptance of men’s rights issues.
  • Chivalry stands in the way of objective reasoning. Chivalry causes men to conflate the often unreasonable assertions and demands of feminists, with the welfare of women generally. I see this happening in almost every mainstream media article that permits readers to contribute comments, wherein men attack one another in the mistaken belief that any progress on achieving mens rights is not just a set-back for women, but somehow akin to spitting in their face. If only such men would make an effort to familiarise themselves with not just the specific issue under consideration, but also both the nature of feminism and of men’s rights advocacy generally.

More thoughts on good manners and chivalry

Good Samaritan case: Woman who lied about sex assault faces court (15 May 2019)

Two terribly unchivalrous ladies (3 October 2018)

Court sheriff sacked for breaking up a fight between two women (3 October 2018) Australia

Modern dating experiences including ‘ghosting’ and ‘breadcrumbing’ leave three in four women feeling that chivalry is dead (2 August 2017) Women have been doing these things to men since whenever, now more men are giving back the same and it’s suddenly unfair

‘Good Samaritan’ bullied, beaten and called a kidnapper after helping lost child (29 June 2017)

This reader’s comment by ‘SantaOrange’ in a Reddit discussion thread addresses why chivalry is a major constraint to making progress on men’s rights (10 May 2017)

Here’s a recent newspaper item that features a prat-like whinge from a woman who would like men to leave her alone – after they perform whatever service she requires. Presumably men are meant to  magically realise that she is a feminist and is not interested in social overtures. But on the other hand they are magically meant to know that although she is a feminist, she does appreciate men helping her by performing manual labour in relation to her overweight carry-on luggage. Perhaps if she held up a sign providing all this information, then men might be more co-operative/compliant. A subsequent online discussion can be found here.

And here is an article on the subject of holding doors open (plus readers comments) in a feminist blog.

Here is an article entitled ‘He also pays for his own dinners‘ that , in a patronising tone, sniffs at the notion of men displaying chivalry and their motivations for doing so. The best thing about the article was this readers comment:

“The most generous and helpful thing a man can do for a woman on an individual level is to hold her accountable – no letting her off because she’s female.

If traditional expressions of chivalry are important to women, let women do them. My girlfriend brought me flowers last night because I had a bad day. Fine. I’ll cook her dinner sometime.

Listen men, chivalry backfires. If you pay for the first date you’re losing a valuable opportunity to screen out the women who will see you as nothing but an ATM machine. And there’s no such thing as paying for a first date anyway. When you pay for a first date, you’re making it cheaper for her to go on another date with somebody else. You’re just subsidizing her search for the perfect man. Do yourself a favour and make women chip in for their quest for Mr. Right.

And men, while we’re on the subject of chivalry, remember you’re not a human punching bag. Make it very clear at the beginning of the relationship: if she ever hits you, screams at you, or calls you names, or tries to humiliate you in front of your friends, or destroys any of your property on purpose, or tries to use sex as a bargaining chip, that’s the end of the relationship, right then, right there. No questions asked. No looking back. Just walk away.

Don’t let your sense of chivalry turn you into a victim. You’re better than that.”

Men are weirdly concerned about trans women’s use of female bathrooms, according to new study (December 2016) How to take a good thing – men’s ingrained protective instinct towards women – and paint it as a negative.

“Men were 1.5 times more likely than women to have concerns about transgender women using women’s bathrooms.”

Man stabbed in Southbank while coming to woman’s aid (25 February 2017) Australia. It appears the female being assaulted left the scene – did you she render any assistance to her rescuer? Don’t be that guy. Timely that this incident occurred the same week as this article in The Conversation.

Dave Chappelle on how women killed chivalry (21 November 2016) Comedy video

Home Hill stabbing: British journalist Tom Jackson attacked as he went to aid of Mia Ayliffe-Chung (26 August 2016) Tom sadly later died from his injuries.

Damseling, chivalry and courtly love (part two) by Peter Wright (17 July 2016)

Belinda Brown: Women exploit men’s chivalrous instincts (12 June 2016)

Chivalry is not dead when it comes to morality (8 June 2016) We’re more likely to sacrifice a man than a woman when it comes to both saving the lives of others and in pursuing our self-interests, a team of psychology researchers has found.

Where are the stand up men? (29 May 2016) This special snowflake rant earned itself some rather forthright readers comments. Further commentary here.

The Confused Male: Do women really want what they say they want? (3 May 2016) UK

Chivalry: A learned deathwish, by Paul Elam (25 April 2016)

Would you be a Good Samaritan? Chinese kung fu student JAILED after saving woman from sexual harassment on a bus (22 April 2016) China. The woman ran away

Liz Hayes relives terrifying moment 60 Minutes crew were attacked (21 March 2016) Australia. Careful Liz, don’t let the feminists hear you admitting that – it’s kind of the opposite of their precious narrative …

“I just knew, they wouldn’t hit me … I was glad, right then, that I was a woman. I felt they wouldn’t hit me because of that, and that might mean I could slow things down a bit. I’m pretty sure if I was one of the guys I probably would have been hit as well.”

Good Samaritan Norman Olsen dies in hospital (24 February 2016) Australia

Female bouncers, sin bins should be considered as part of lockout laws, psychologist says (19 February 2016) I think female bouncers would be less likely to get punched due (in part) to chivalry, but the idea appears to contradict the feminist position on DV whereby men seen to be just as likely/more likely to hit a woman.

Chivalry and the Law: How Women Get Off, by Krista Milburn (15 February 2016) Recommended reading

Feminism, sex-differences and chivalry (7 February 2016)

Boats for women, by Mark Dent (12 January 2016)

Chivalry still a force to be reckoned with, by Miranda Devine (12 December 2015)

“The most despicable thing about the feminist movement is that it exploits male protective instincts and male virtues such as self-sacrifice for the “greater good” in order to expand female privilege. It doesn’t actually challenge these gender roles in any meaningful sense. But I agree it’s time to put an end to chivalry. The cat is out of the bag and it’s not going back in.” (Source)

Man is crushed to death by falling elevator in New York City (1 January 2016)

Video captures man’s attempt to catch woman falling 11 storeys (1 January 2016)

If men owe women chivalry, what do women owe men? (30 November 2015)

YOYO 19: One day a month, stop protecting women (30 September 2015)

The sad reality of today’s male-female dynamic. I have women I love in my life and I wish things were different. It’s sad people have to think twice before helping others (9 September 2015) Reddit discussion thread

Why don’t we have stories about women sacrificing themselves for the men they love? by Janet Bloomfield (9 July 2015)

Men must stop playing by the rules, walk away, and claim their autonomy. The gender contract is null and void. If a new social contract is to be agreed, it must be agreed by free men (18 June 2015) Reddit mensrights discussion thread

Model receives death threats after splitting bill on date (22 April 2015)

Chivalry but equality: The feminist double-standard, by Prentice Reid (21 April 2015)

What ever happened to chivalry? by Peter Wright (13 April 2015)

Opinion: Chivalry, not gender politics, dictates who pays for that first date, by Caroline Marcus (12 April 2015) Notice not one reader comment in support of this hypocritical sexist tosh

John Stuart Mill on chivalry (31 March 2015)

Chivalry could indicate hidden sexism, study finds (10 March 2015)

Chivalry isn’t dead: Why feminists still want a gentleman Reddit discussion thread and linked article (15 February 2015)

I’m a Feminist and I Still Want These 7 Gentlemanly Gestures. Do You? (20 February 2015) and related reddit mensrights discussion thread

White Ribbon Campaigns: Promoting medieval chivalry (25 November 2014)

And more recently, an article entitled ‘Equality is essential but so is chivalry‘ (Herald Sun 16 June 2014). This one very much in the all rights/no responsibility vein. It starts of bemoaning the fact that nobody stood up for a pregnant woman on a train and then goes on and on from there. The usual feminist theme of … there’s a problem, men caused it, and it’s mens responsibility to fix it … to our specifications. No readers comments were permitted – wonder why? Thank goodness that this MRA made the time to prepare a great rebuttal.

Why women need to start asking men out … because men have no balls (9 September 2014) The author of this incredibly sexist article, notable only for the caustic criticism of the 1,200+ readers comments that follow it, was Lauren Martin.

Jennifer Lawrence Nude Pics Highlight Ongoing Struggle With Chivalry (2 September 2014)

How to be a 21st Century ‘Gentleman’ (12 September 2014) I liked this reader’s comment: “Are there any classes teaching women some basic etiquette, too? Why are we just gripping on men when women need just as much a major make-over on behavior”. This theme is oft repeated – recent versions here and here, and with a rebuttal article here

Feminists and their progressive allies think that children swearing edgy and humorous – provided it’s for a ‘good’ cause (October 2014)

Why I no longer hold doors open for women (9 September 2014)

Why didn’t I stop to help a woman in need?‘ (5 August 2014) The article is fairly ordinary but there is some excellent material amongst the readers comments section.

Pantene ‘Not Sorry’ video tells women to stop apologizing so much (18 June 2014)

From “Women assault elderly man” to “Shame on men” in easy steps, by Jim Muldoon (1 March 2014)

Women are fine with sexism … as long as it benefits them (22 October 2013)

The One Good Man (16 March 2011)

Now for the background to this article you’ll need to take a look at this other blog post. In the article feminist author, Lauren Rosewarne, lashes out at those concerned about comments made by a federal parliamentarian. That politician told journalists that she wanted a male partner who was rich, well-endowed and who didn’t talk. Lauren haughtily admonishes us, today the sane amongst us dismiss such notions as laughably repressive and egregiously controlling.”

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Beware the ire of an angry feminist

Whilst most of them labour on in denial, the fact is that feminists can be particularly spiteful and relentless in the manner in which they attack those who question or criticise their jaundiced view of the world. Although not according to this feminist:

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Feminists are also not averse to turning on allies, particularly the men who openly support them (for examples see 12/ 34/ 5/ 6/ 7/ 89). Wow, don’t they just love dishing it out?

Consider the vendetta against Tanveer Ahmed, which you can read about in this blog post. Consider the reaction to a pro-feminist initiative by students at Sydney Boys High School. And the list goes on and on.

Now as I mentioned in the “About this blog” post, women who publicly defend men and men’s rights issues are especially loathed by feminists. Click on this hyperlink and read an example of some conservative women who wound up with targets on their backs in this manner.

And two more examples of women targeted by feminists are Erin Pizzey and Catherine Hakim:

Erin Patria Margaret Pizzey is an English family care activist and a novelist. She became internationally famous for having started one of the first women’s refuges (called women’s shelters in the U.S.) in the modern world, Chiswick Women’s Aid, in 1971, the organisation known today as Refuge. Pizzey has been the subject of death threats and boycotts because of her stance that most domestic violence is reciprocal, and that women are equally as capable of violence as men. Further details about Erin here and here

Catherine Hakim is a British sociologist who specializes in women’s employment and women’s issues. She has worked in British central government, and as a Senior Research Fellow in the London School of Economics. She is currently a Senior Research Fellow at the Centre for Policy Studies. She has published extensively on labour market topics, women’s employment, sex discrimination, social and family policy, as well as social statistics and research design. She has published over 100 articles in academic journals and edited collections, and over a dozen textbooks and research monographs. She is best known for developing preference theory and her criticism of many feminist assumptions about women’s employment.

Apparently even worse still are women who not only criticize feminism, but do so on the basis of its overt misogyny towards women. This is discussed in a post by a well-known female MRA, Alison Tieman.

The high-tide line of the spectrum of feminist outrage may well be Claire Khaw, a (partway serious and partway tongue-in-cheek) social commentator who maintains blogs called the ‘Battlefield of Love‘ and ‘The Voice of Reason‘. A little strong for the sensibilities of many, yet at the same time probably a fitting counterpoint to ghastly feminist commentators like Anita Sarkeesian or Amanda Marcotte. Here is one of Claire’s recent items.

And yet at the same time, feminists have a deeply unenviable propensity to quickly play the ‘frightened and oppressed victim’ card should the tables be turned (aka ‘cry bully’).

Perhaps the most common way in which feminists lash out is through employing what is known as shaming tactics. At other times, though their response can include tactics such as online bullying, stalking and threats, and/or the lodgement of false or exaggerated claims to Twitter/ISP’s/etc in order to have the accounts of their targets closed.

In another post I talk about a recent Australian example involving the ‘Sunrise’ TV show. In one of the media articles that ensued, Michael Lallo suggested that only feminist women posting online attracted threats of violence/death … with of course the threats being made by men.

Well Michael, time to open your eyes and wake up … and you can start by checking out these sources:

Feminist aligned terrorists promote violence and share tactics openly on Facebook: New meme: “If You Own a Meninist Shirt L Will Not Hesitate to Stab You” (5 December 2016) Reddit discussion thread with linked article.

The Dark Web of Feminist Political Agenda (24 June 2016) Australia

A 19 Year Old Liberal-Feminist Tries to Kill a Street Preacher Because “Words” Hurt Her Feelings (29 May 2016) USA

Feminists and white knights plan vendetta against author of the ‘Return of Kings’ web site (2 February 2016) Australia. Feel the hate and see the spittle around the mouths of those who have probably never read a single article within the ROK site. Check out the surfeit of shaming language in this Daily Mail article. But this article is the most worrying of all – the hypocrisy of people who claim to be opposed to violence, only to then encourage others with that goal in mind.

Academic finds 84 serious threats of violence directed at Roosh and Return Of Kings readers (13 March 2017)

Women’s hate, violence and death threats (November 2013)

Women and white knight’s hate at Stephen A. Smith (July 2014)

Attack on the home of the founder of the group ‘Fathers 4 Justice’ (28 July 2014)

University prof pleads ‘no contest’ after attack on pro-life students (25 July 2014)

Irate women screams at pro-life kids: “No uterus … no right to talk about it!” (11 July 2014)

Feminist Declaration of War Against the Non-Feminist World, by Fidelbogen (9 April 2014)

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-lies-feminism/when-is-a-death-threat-funny/ (27 November 2011)

http://www.avoiceformen.com/allnews/swedish-dissenting-feminist-receives-death-threats/ (18 January 2014)

Evidence Collection – Patterns of feminists making death threats (18 June 2013)

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/when-feminists-attack/ (8 December 2011)

Feminist Enemy Number One. Christina Hoff Sommers might need a safe space (June 2015)

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See also:

‘I want patriarchy to fear women’: Mona Eltahawy says the time for being civil, peaceful and polite is over (28 September 2019)

Sandra Muller, France’s #MeToo creator, fined for defamation (25 September 2019)

The future is female. And she’s furious, by Cathy Young (28 January 2019) Recommended reading

Why feminists are bullies, in a nutshell (3 October 2018)

Anti-Brett Kavanaugh protesters go wild (October 2018) Video. USA

Russian feminist splashes bleach onto the crotchs of men sitting on public transport in order to protest ‘manspreading’ (27 September 2018) More here

Title IX Complaint Filed Against Professor Behind WashPo ‘Anti-Male’ Column (28 August 2018) This is regarding Professor Suzanna Danuta Walters who authored the infamous “Why Can’t We Hate Men?” column in the Washington Post

‘How I took the female cyber bully who used Facebook to ruin my life to court. And won’ (13 November 2017)

Distinguished Georgetown Prof Spreads Personal Info Of Political Opponents To Intimidate Them (22 May 2017)

‘Anti-feminism’ posters at American University investigated as a ‘hate crime’ (10 March 2017) I wish I could say that government agencies are above this type of absurdity, but …
UK Police Force Re-Educating 1,400 Officers To Treat Misogyny As ‘Hate Crime’ (9 March 2017)

To Milo or not to Milo? (21 February 2017) How the left neutralised a very annoying thorn  in their side. A story rich in hypocrisy given what various feminists/SJW have previously said & done & walked away from without penalty.

Good Word for the Contemptible Straight White Male, by Timothy Cootes (19 February 2017)

Islamic State using feminism to lure Australian women into becoming ‘Jihadi Brides’ (12 February 2017) This must be at, or close to, ‘peak stupid’.

Rebel reporter assaulted at Women’s March (22 January 2017) USA. Male feminist, Dion Bews, assaults female journalist then female feminists help him escape into the crowd and tell the journalist to “calm down”. Meanwhile, also at the Women’s March, an anti-Trump protester sets a girl’s hair on fire. What pathetic hypocrites these people are. And another article in a similar vein.

Anti-bullying advocate Roz Ward harasses bystander (21 November 2016)

Annaliese Nielson, founder of start-ups GodsGirls, Crushee, and the exclusive Los Angeles … decided to start an expletive filled tirade on a Lyft driver … Nielson took issue with the drivers bobble head figurine and was determined to create a violent confrontation (28 August 2016)

Feminism Has Enabled My Husband to Be Lazy and Selfish (26 August 2016) Further proof that only a masochist would marry a feminist. See related Reddit discussion thread here.

Feminist journalist: All men are rapists and should be put in prison and then shot (15 August 2016)

Feminazi Zealots Adopt Feminazi Zealot Tactics To Get An MP Sacked For Pointing Out Their ‘Zealotry’ (13 August 2016) UK

HuffPo Women’s editor, Alanna Vagianos, says that pointing out that most of those dying violently in the USA are men is “extremely offensive” and that those making this observation should STFU (12 July 2016)

George Christensen the most abused MP on Twitter, election analysis shows (1 July 2016) In Australia, conservative male politicians receive the most online abuse (no women in the top 20 … male privilege?)

Feminists treat men badly. It’s bad for feminism, by Cathy Young (30 June 2016) USA

On @Anne_Theriault and the Endless Futility of Feminist Revenge Fantasies (17 June 2016)

The Facebook Page Wars of 2016 : Profiling Rose S Garston (19 April 2016)

How A Torpedoed Kickstarter Campaign Unintentionally Revealed An Unlikely Unit of Cyber-Terrorists (18 April 2016) USA

These Are The Strange Cookies This Mom Brought To A 2nd Grade Class (5 April 2016) Feminist takes rejection badly

Student feminist group ‘Campus Witches’ attack a man while he eats his lunch after he harassed his ex on Twitter (1 April 2016)

The persecution of Sage Gerard at Kennesaw State University (KSU) (11 March 2016)

Anti-feminist activist Lauren Southern has urine poured on her (5 March 2016) Canada

Great Men Under Siege – The Fiamengo File Episode 14 (28 February 2016) Video

Brought Milo Yiannopoulos to Rutgers and Liberals Freaked Out (13 February 2016) USA

Sir Tim Hunt To Leave Britain: How Feminists Chased Away One of Britain’s Geniuses (18 December 2015)

If not for double-standards, she’d have none at all (1 December 2015) Australian feminist with a long history of perpetrating hateful online bigotry and abuse, has man sacked for calling her a ‘slut’

Feminist administrator and professor threaten male journalist with false accusations and ‘muscle’. This is what it’s like to be a college student in 2015 (10 November 2015)

Spain: feminist march against “gender violence” turns into anti-male cesspool. Also, a few women were assaulted for reclaiming equal support for men (9 November 2015) Reddit discussion thread

Feminist tries to get me fired: BACKFIRES SPECTACULARLY (3 November 2015)

She ain’t honest (Nurse Ratched) (29 September 2015) Discussion concerning feminist journalist Clementine Ford

Miranda Devine: Demonising men won’t stop domestic violence‘ … and here is an example of the predictably vicious and misleading feminist reaction: ‘Sorry Miranda Devine, but domestic violence isn’t a poor person’s problem’ (27 September 2015). Miranda responded to her feminist critics first with this article, and then this one.

Em Rusciano: Good riddance Mark Latham (17 August 2015) Australia

When ‘Slutwalk’ Feminists Attack Lauren Southern (25 June 2015)

You have to watch rabid feminists attack Daily Beast writer for daring to defend man accused of rape! (7 February 2015)

The hatred of the modern feminist (30 January 2015) Australia

Amanda Marcotte: The David Duke of Feminism (9 January 2015)

Vandalized: Residence of U-M Student Who Dared to Mock Trigger Warnings (15 December 2014)

‘All women should be banned from barber shops’ (26 November 2014)

One of BBC’S Top 100 Women in foul-mouthed attack on ‘InsideMan’ magazine  (21 November 2014)

Twitter is censoring accounts before a single tweet goes out (12 November 2014)

Opinion You’re Going To Hate: Women aren’t Oppressed, They’re Actually The Most Protected Class In Our Society (14 October 2014)

Don’t bully me because I’m a feminist (14 June 2013)

Is there a cyber war on women? (2 February 2014)

What @AdamRichman Learned (2 July 2014)

http://femalefedupwithfeminism.wordpress.com/2014/03/08/some-thoughts-on-feminists-shutting-down-those-who-dare-to-disagree/

Feminists post how-to guide on taking down Facebook pages with false reports

http://mensrightsarehumanrights.wordpress.com/2014/03/24/ellie-slee-likes-to-issue-threats-and-believes-that-this-is-acceptable-do-you/

http://j4mb.wordpress.com/2014/03/08/miss-ann-dree-mikebuchanan11-die-please/

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/the-reaction-to-the-women-eating-on-the-tube-site-shows-exactly-how-sexist-hypocritical-and-humourless-feminism-can-be/

http://rooshnme.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/women-who-hate-women.html

A blog post about ongoing feminist attempts to discredit a lobby group serving the interest of people who have been falsely accused of sexual assault

List of links of women making online threats (Reddit discussion thread, September 2014)

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Here are some articles discussing hateful sexist diatribes by feminists about men

Julie Bindel calls for men to be jailed and then shot (15 August 2016)

The anti male language that you read about and shrug off as just venting hot headed feminism …is real. (6 June 2015) Reddit mensrights discussion thread

Petition To Have Bahar Mustafa, Goldsmith’s Diversity Officer, Who Tweeted ‘Kill All White Men’, Sacked Reaches 12,000 (20 May 2015)

#Howtospotafeminist the only guide you’ll ever need (6 May 2015)

‘Kill all Men’: Lib Dem activist in hate speech scandal (17 April 2015)

My comment to Jezebel regarding the feminist who aborted her male son (11 February 2015)

Samantha Allen is a feminist writer – here is a recent example of her work. Another article in which she proudly states that she hates men is discussed here (source article available here)

Reading feminist theory (23 August 2014)

When they fuck us (29 July 2014)

Can feminists do anything on their own? (15 August 2014)

Meet the woman who wants to reduce the male population by 90% “for peace” (22 August 2014)

Add these to the misandry Hall of Fame (19 June 2014)

Abolish the white race, abolish men – presentation by a feminist in a public library (2 June 2014)

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/radfem-hub-the-underbelly-of-a-hate-movement/

https://twitter.com/CathyYoung63/status/421485004426711040/photo/1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJGZM2jtMpg

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http://www.cultural-misandry.com/feminism-the-hate-group-2/

http://evebitfirst.wordpress.com/2010/10/07/a-rant/ http://imgur.com/4EZHcLc (‘Feminism vs decency’)

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Related posts within this blog include:

About feminism & feminist antipathy towards issues faced by men
Regarding online harassment
On violence carried out by women and girls
On the censorship of non-feminist perspectives and opinions

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Nice guys, nice guys™ and the friendzone

For the time being this post will simply consist of a collection of links on the above topic – I’ll return later to add further order and reason …

Invisible Men – The Red Pill Interviews University Girls (5 September 2017) Australian video

We Need Fraternity Men to Do a Lot More Than ‘Walk a Mile in Her Shoes’ (4 June 2017) This theme, that even men sympathetic to feminism can’t do right, is often encountered. For example, scroll down this page to ‘Sydney Girls High’

On the friend zone, nice guys, and both almost always being a dude (22 April 2017) Reddit discussion thread

David Schwimmer’s sexual harassment films are good. But this is women’s work, by Van Badham (12 April 2017) Men’s job is to listen and obey – not talk or write.

When men claim to be feminists just to abuse women, by Jane Gilmore (15 March 2017) Australia

Men get no pats on the back for basic human decency (14 March 2017) Australia

Sydney Girls High School prefects hit back after Sydney Boys’ viral video (13 March 2017)

What nice men don’t say to nice women (13 April 2016) Video

Why women can’t complain about men (4 December 2016) Video

Beware these 10 types of feminist men (8 August 2016)

Why I’ll never date another male feminist, by Tiana Lowe (August 2016)

Feminism is an inferiority complex and white knights are enablers (11 August 2016)

Nice guys finish first: empathetic boys attract more close female friends (16 June 2016) Predictable offering from ‘The Conversation’

25 new ways to say ‘no’ to feminists (7 June 2016)

http://www.drglover.com/no-more-mr-nice-guy/the-book.html and https://7chan.org/lit/src/Robert_Glover_-_No_More_Mr_Nice_Guy.pdf

On @MattMcGorry, @MeghanEMurphy and the ‘Male Feminist’ Problem (23 May 2016)

Forget alpha males. Betas are the men of the future (22 May 2016) Australia

What nice men don’t say to nice women (14 April 2016) Reddit discussion thread and linked video

Why I’m wary of men who call themselves feminists (14 March 2016)

Why women slag men off for ‘being rubbish’ – and what you should say in response (11 March 2016)

Milo: ‘Male Feminism Is a Sort of Disease’ (23 February 2016) Scroll down to see great comment by ‘David Power’

Pro Tip: Don’t Be a ‘Feminist Man’ (15 February 2016) Oww, the claws are out in this article by Robert Stacy McCain

Amazing read “The Alpha Widow”. Long read but worth it (6 November 2015) Reddit discussion thread

Women’s Greatest Problem: The Myth of the Submissive Alpha Male (25 June 2015)

Masculinity, Positive Masculinity, and the White Knight as a Perversion of Masculinity (9 May 2015)

Radicalising the romanceless (31 August 2014) ** Lots of choice examples of  feminist disdain and mockery of nice guys **

Why great husbands are being abandoned (13 August 2014) Huffington Post article and linked reddit discussion thread

http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2011/02/22/relationshipstrategies/how-women-made-good-men-passe-and-sabotaged-their-own-futures/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nice_guy and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friend_zone

The Friend Zone – Land of the “Nice Guys” (27 July 2014)

Study finds that men like nice women, but not the other way around (25 July 2014)

Yes girls, there is a FriendZone (9 June 2014) Video

Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore (22 April 2014) Phew, over 7,400 comments!

It Pisses Me Off When Men Call Themselves Feminists (8 August 2013)

http://theconversation.com/strut-your-stuff-how-rockstars-and-peacocks-attract-the-ladies-29045?: Article about the types of guys found attractive to women, and which includes the statement “studies suggest that higher levels of narcissism in men correlated with improved prospects in courting a woman.”

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/29z5zf/can_we_have_a_serious_discussion_about_nice_guys/

http://siryouarebeingmocked.tumblr.com/post/83262651455/the-most-common-and-conspicuous-attribute-of-the

http://www.dailycal.org/2012/07/26/why-good-girls-like-bad-boys/

Okay, MGTOW, I get it now. If this is the option, I’d pass too‘ by Janet Bloomfield (22 April 2014) with a related discussion at reddit/mensrights here and follow-up post here

http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/lax/483318927.html

http://www.returnofkings.com/29989/men-should-not-help-sluts

The normalisation of the trashy single mother

http://www.christophercantwell.com/2014/02/14/re-the-problem-with-nice-guys/

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/22rxm9/of_course_if_it_was_mocking_desperate_women/

The More Chores A Husband Does, The More Likely The Marriage Will End In Divorce (28 September 2012)