Romance-tourism is just nothing like sex-tourism

In one of those rare idle moments I happened to google on ‘sex tourism eat pray love’ and this is one of the first articles that came up:

Rhonda and Ketut as the faces of female sex tourism, by Nigel Bowen (22 Jan 2013)

Yes, don’t be shocked but it’s been claimed that many women mix with local men whilst enjoying their holidays. But relax, because it’s so so different to that nasty sex-tourism thing that men do. I mean it’s not like the boys are prostitutes or anything, and it does seem fair that if they take time off work to show you around then a lady would buy them a meal or small gift. Or two.

Still those MRA scumbags rubbish anything that women value. So how have other feminists explained these very special holiday experiences?

When women pay men for sex, it doesn’t have the same social effect because there is no history of women enslaving men” (Source)

““female sex tourism” oversimplifies the motives of these women and that “romance tourism” explains the complex nature of what these women are engaging themselves in while involved in romance tours. They also explain that the expression “female sex tourism”, “serves to perpetuate gender roles and reinforce power relations of female subordination, romance tourism in Jamaica provides an arena for change” (Source)

“Once, sometimes twice, a month I meet up with Justin, a 36-year-old divorcé. We go out for a meal and maybe to a club before spending the night in a hotel … But what differentiates our dates from the norm is that I pay for Justin’s company, including having sex with him” (Source)

‘They want to be stimulated throughout the body’: Bali Gigolos share their secrets (7 May 2017)

Racketeering Refugees: What the Million Marching Pussyhatters Really Want? (28 January 2017)

Female seks tourism (26 November 2016)

Confessions of an Australian male escort: ‘I don’t just get booked for sex’ (9 September 2016)

Lonely Women Paying For Men’s Company (12 August 2016) Video

‘European Sugar Mamas’ – Women sex tourists in Kenya (29 July 2016) Reddit discussion thread

The women who hire male escorts (1 February  2014)

Wealthy Older Women Are Hiring Men In Kenya To Romance Them (22 October 2014)

http://travel.ninemsn.com.au/holidaytype/weird/7942963/cougar-prowl-female-sex-tourism-hotspots

http://www.rachelrabbitwhite.com/women-who-buy-sex-the-secret-life-of-jane/

http://harlotsparlour.com/2010/08/23/women-do-buy-sex/

http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/life/why-do-women-pay-for-sex-20131209-2z11k.html

On sugar-daddies, sugar-mummies and sugar-babies

You may well have noticed an abundance of articles in the mainstream media about personal commercial arrangements known as a sugar-daddy relationship. Indeed some media outlets such as news.com.au run stories on this subject, or similar themes, every couple of weeks … see recent examples here and here and here and here.

Previously I included related discussion/references within my blog posts on ‘Privilege, Respect and Entitlement‘ and/or on ‘Prostitution‘.

Today however I was prompted to create a post solely on this topic after reading a feminist journalist’s interpretation of the sugar-daddy phenomenon:

Why is a ‘sugar daddy’ funded education being sold as empowering to women?

Kasey Edwards doesn’t think that sugar-daddy arrangements are a bad idea because they are, you know, wrong. It’s not because they involve women debasing themselves via voluntarily entering into a parasite/host relationship. And it’s not because these women aren’t walking out into the world standing on their own two, empowered, feet.

No, such arrangements are a bad idea because the women involved might be held in some way (shudder) accountable if exposed. It was suggested that former sugar-daddies would blackmail their babies as “there’s seemingly no downside for powerful men who have sexual arrangements with less powerful women“. (Gee, I bet there would be more than a few ‘powerful’ men who would disagree with that assessment of where most of the risk lies)

The cost of exposure could be either tangible (reduced employment opportunity), or more intangible (slut-shaming). Of course, both of these forms of chastisement might be imposed by other women – especially in the latter case.

Oh, and sugar-baby arrangements are also a bad idea because Kasey sees them as a “cynical abuse of male power“.

Needless to say, no mention was made of the fact that wealthy women procure men/boys in a similar manner. Which would kind of make it more of a wealth thing, rather than a gender thing.

Nevertheless, the likely feminist defence there would be that that doesn’t count, a ‘rare aberration’ yada yada, borne from ‘internalised misogyny’ yada yada, and being a ‘justifiable push-back against male oppression’ yada yada.

What follows now is a selection of articles and perspectives on this topic. There are also a couple of sources dealing with a somewhat related practice known as ‘rinsing‘.

Mother encouraged her teenage daughter to have sex with a ‘sugar daddy’ so they could both pay for cosmetic surgery (9 April 2019)

Belgians charge CEO recruiting ‘Sugar Babies’ with ‘Incitement to Debauchery’ (8 April 2019) OK, cool even, for the girls doing it but men stay out of it!

University of B.C. ranked 7th for sugar baby arrangements in 2018 (12 March 2019)

Unusual way a single mum earns more than $130k a year‘ (18 February 2019) Oh look, it’s news.com.au promoting another variety of ‘hooking lite’ commonly known as the ‘Insta-THOT’

‘You do have sex, but it’s not expected’: Monash student earns $50,000 as a ‘sugar baby’ (9 February 2019). Oh look, it’s news.com.au’s fortnightly sugar-baby theme article. Again.

Single mom facing crippling debt realizes she can make bank by charging men to date her (January 2019)

Woman earns $104k a year working just 16 hours each week (14 September 2018) Not sugar-babies but yet another version of Hooking Lite

Growing Trend Of Older Women Becoming ‘Sugar Mamas’ For Young Migrants (28 July 2017)

My Sugar Daddy Pays Me $12,000 A Month — & Marriage Is On The Table (1 June 2017) USA

Inside the life of a feminist sugar baby, by Roisin Lanigan  (21 March 2017)

Sugar Babies: 100,000 Aussie students have signed up to find a sugar daddy (2 February 2017) It’s ironic that pro-feminist news.com.au frequently runs articles on sugar-babies, sending a poor message to young men and women alike. Still, as long as news.com.au gets lots of clicks catering to vicarious thrills, it’s all good right?

Racketeering Refugees: What the Million Marching Pussyhatters Really Want? (28 January 2017)

Rise of the sugar mummies: Led by a host of celebrities, more and more older women are dating younger men (25 January 2017)

Former Beauty Queen Lives A Life Of Luxury By ‘Working’ As A Sugar Baby (6 January 2017)

“Men are supposed to be caregivers and take care of women”

Jilted lover, 42, sues her 86-year-old ‘sugar daddy’ for $1.5M claiming that he said he would provide for her ‘for the rest of her life’. Buhl has moved on to another girlfriend, Zahradnikova claims she’s still owed $1.5million in unpaid wages. How low can you go! Reddit mens rights discussion thread and linked article

Lavish lifestyle of sugar baby Simone Toon (4 November 2016)

‘European Sugar Mamas’ – Women sex tourists in Kenya (29 July 2016) Reddit discussion thread

Daddies, “Dates,” and the Girlfriend Experience: Welcome to the New Prostitution Economy (7 July 2016)

‘You don’t have to give him anything’: Inside the life of a $75,000-a-year sugar baby (1 February 2016) Australia

Monica Lynn travelled the world for free by getting her dates to pay for it (2 January 2016)

The art of ‘rinsing’ landed these sisters $160,000 worth of gifts (27 November 2015)

Sugar Babies: Controversial trend taking off online (21 July 2015) Mainstream media at it again: Content to promote parasitism/prostitution as a legitimate lifestyle choice #racetothebottom

Where the sugar babies are (15 January 2015)

Sex, lies and ‘rinsing’ guys – Youtube video – Just don’t call them prostitutes

How to date older rich men for cash and prizes, avoid having sex with them and still imagine YOU are the exploited victim (18 December 2013)

Discrimination against males in the context of humanitarian agencies/causes

Some time ago I came across the following item in ‘Inside Man‘, a rather good UK publication focusing on men’s issues:

Nine out of ten people pictured in charity posters are women (25 September 2014)

The article tells us that charities are loathe to use pictures of men in their posters and advertising campaigns because of an empathy gap that exists in the community. Pictures of poor men just don’t elicit anywhere near the same amount of sympathy as do pictures of poor women.

I have included a link to this article in quite a few tweets I have sent to organisations such as Plan International, in response to various gender-biased campaigns they have promoted online.

One example was a campaign that focused on providing clean drinking water for women and girls (google on ‘clean water for women’ for many examples of similar campaigns). Clean water for poor men and boys? Not so important it would seem, though I doubt that’s because they are sitting in deck chairs quaffing Moet.

There have been other campaigns related to the effects of global warming, for example. Apparently problems such as global warming have a greater affect women/girls, with men/boys protected by way of some kind of force-field.

Oh, and if we needed a reminder as to how little a male life is considered to be worth, who could forget #BringBackOurGirls?

And then today I came across a reddit mensrights discussion thread on this same theme. It’s entitled:

Did many men lose their lives due to discriminatory policies? (26 May 2016)

“Most international charities discriminate against men at least since 1995. In 2010 Haiti Earthquake men were denied food. Do you think such policies are responsible for many excess men’s deaths?”

It’s worth taking a moment to look at the readers comments (30 of them as at the time I uploaded this post).

The Australian Government not only provides far more more funding for women/girls with regards to its domestic programs, but now its foreign aid programs are increasingly gender-targeted. This January 2017 article, for example, discusses the Australian Government contribution towards UN Women. In November 2016 Prime Minister Turnbull advised that the resettlement scheme for those in detention centres would prioritise women, children and families. Because #genderequality

See also Australia urged to put women and girls at centre of foreign policy (17 April 2017)

A selection of foreign aid organisations that fail to address the welfare needs of men

List of human rights issues as identified/pursued by the United Nations … men are apparently missing in action. The UN doesn’t even bother to list International men’s Day (19 November) in its online calendar of events. Here’s a list of the female days celebrated by the UN (Tweet dated 5 April 2019).

globalgoalsSee globalgoals.org and their twitter stream (@TheGlobalGoals) for many examples of sexist statements and programs

See GirlRising and their twitter stream (@GirlRising) for more of the same

See ActionAid and their twitter stream (@ActionAid) for more of the same. Note the section called ‘The Facts’ contained debunked factoids – except Point 3 (violence) which if true is also true for men, who face far more violence overall)

Upon first arriving at the web site of Project Futures the organisation appears gender-neutral. Sadly the more you read the clearer their blindness to trafficked or enslaved men becomes, despite the size of that problem in the Asian region. They also appear to be supportive of disgraced activist Somaly Mam (refer wiki entry).

Further sources illustrating and/or discussing gender bias in foreign aid:

Gender Empathy Gap Day (23 June 2018)

African Opposition to UNICEF’s Mass Infant Circumcision Campaign: UNICEF responds. So do Africans (1 August 2017) And when the UN does decide to ‘help’ men/boys, is this is the best they can manage?

Canada commits $97-million to Congo under feminist foreign-aid policy (6 July 2017)

How to spend foreign aid like a feminist (4 July 2017)

Ottawa unveils new feminist foreign-aid policy (9 June 2017) Canada

“The federal government has unveiled what it is calling “Canada’s first feminist international-assistance policy,” with plans to eventually ensure that at least 95 per cent of the country’s foreign aid helps improve the lives of women and girls”

Secret aid worker: Men have as many issues as women, we just don’t know what they are (14 February 2017)

“Despite cries that gender is as much about men as it is about women, most project proposals or documents referring to gender will mention women, but little about men. If they do talk about men, they do so in terms of their relations with and respect for women.”

The U.N.’s Shocking Gender/Feminist Bias: Masterpost with Links (17 September 2016)

Dear #GamerGate, UN feminism is more dangerous than you know (27 September 2015)

Gender Equality in Humanitarian Assistance (March 2015) Sweden

“A gender equality perspective in humanitarian assistance takes into account that:

•  Crises affect women, girls, boys and men differently;
•  Existing power inequalities  between women and men exacerbates during crisis;
•  Women, girls, men and boys have different needs and different coping mechanisms;
•  Women, girls, men and boys have different opportunities to benefit from support; and
•  Women and girls are an important resource in designing and delivering humanitarian assistance.”

Sounds almost fair. But in terms of outputs this model is imbued with gynocentric bias, which manifests itself via a plethora of programs aimed at women/girls. There are few/no programs directed at men/boys, this being rationalised through the belief that they can cope better/are less affected/that supporting them may worsen the problem, etc.

Thai Team Receives World Bank Award for Innovations to Prevent Gender-Based Violence, with more details in a blog post entitled Ending the invisible violence against Thai female sex workers (June 2016) I submitted a comment to the blog post  which was not uploaded … par for the course when feminist author meets dissenting view.

“Women must believe that their safety and rights are worth defending – even when the odds feel stacked against them for involvement in sex work. Clients and police need these messages too. We must create an environment that tells women they do not deserve to be abused, that someone cares about their safety and well-being.   
 
We are invigorated, inspired, and challenged to transform a world that perpetrates violence and blames victims to one in which freedom, safety, health and human rights prevail for all.”

Presumably written by the author without a hint of irony. Female victims matter, male ones don’t. No mention in the write-up of this project about the violence experienced by male and transgender sex-workers … why?  Could the answer be ‘Gynocentrism manifested by way of feminist bias’?

Zika and Ebola had a much worse effect on women: we need more research to address this in future (20 October 2016)

Read down to see “By the end of 2015, the three West African countries most affected by Ebola – Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone – had a total of 8,703 cases of the virus in women compared to 8,333 in men. But the sex tally of those infected does not reveal the social impact of the disease on local populations.”

Take five with Joy Chebet Bii: Why does digital literacy matter for women and girls? (4 October 2016) Girls get taught to code, boys can watch on

Defining, Demonstrating, & Understanding Male Disposability (30 September 2016)

Iconic Australian charity changes its name to ‘Ourtown’ in 2016 after 55 years as ‘Boystown’, as explained by them and as announced in a media article

Unheard Voices: Men and Youth in Thailand’s Conflict-Affected Deep South (21 September 2016) An oh-so-rare example of consideration being given to the welfare of men/boys in a humanitarian program

Meteor hits earth: Women most affected (19 September 2016) Video

How Clean Cookstoves Create Gender Equality (15 September 2016) Apparent over-reach to promote this as a gender issue given lack of evidence in either this article nor the linked source article.

Commonwealth Ministers pledge four-point plan to empower women (9 September 2016)

Take a look at how fear of sounding politically incorrect forces the U.N into hypocrisy and inaction, ignoring the male education crisis in East Asia (23 June 2016) Reddit discussion thread

Teaching slum girls and female refugees to believe in themselves (17 June 2016) with related Reddit discussion thread here

5 Ways to End Poverty by Focusing on Women and Girls (14 June 2016)

Canada to turn away single men as part of Syrian refugee resettlement plan (24 November 2015) So Muslims OK, but men not OK, right?

Inside Story – The silent victims of rape (28 July 2011)

The rape of men: the darkest secret of war (17 July 2011)

“… The research by Lara Stemple at the University of California doesn’t only show that male sexual violence is a component of wars all over the world, it also suggests that international aid organisations are failing male victims. Her study cites a review of 4,076 NGOs that have addressed wartime sexual violence. Only 3% of them mentioned the experience of men in their literature. “Typically,” Stemple says, “as a passing reference.””

Haitian Men starve while “Women Only” get food (1 February 2010)

UN sets up women-only food aid in Haiti (31 January 2010)

Recognizing Gender-Based Violence Against Civilian Men and Boys in Conflict Situations (2006)

I will add further references and discussion to this post as time permits and as I come across relevant items.

See also my blog post entitled ‘Human trafficking of men and boys + other hidden sexual violence against males

On Spousal Maintenance / Alimony

Much of the information in this blog post was previously included in an earlier post entitled ‘We’ve all heard of the gender ‘income gap’, but what about the ‘expense gap’?

The topic does, however, warrants its own post given that it is a significant issue in a number of regards, including:

  • alimony represents a major financial burden which impacts primarily on men
  • as the number of cases of men claiming alimony rises the divergent manner in which the media reports the issue is highly illustrative of enduring gender stereotypes
  • the debate and political machinations surrounding alimony is a prime example of the extent to which feminist organisations oppose gender equality reforms that would benefit men.

The issue is also quite topical in the United States at the moment particularly in relation to the recently quashed legal reforms in Florida.

Both the terminology and nature of spousal maintenance/alimony varies from one country to the next, and even within the same country there may be significant variation from one state to the next. The primary focus on this post is the situation in the UK, Australia and the USA.

Camille Grammer Awarded Half of Ex-Husband Kelsey Grammer’s Retirement Fund (3 November 2017) See reader’s comments

Why do most men want their wives to help their economic progress, but not ensure anything in return? (12 June 2017) This thread looks at the argument in favor of alimony.

I’m fighting my ex-wife for every person who’s been shafted by Britain’s divorce courts’ (4 June 2017) UK

Men ‘bullied’ out of generous divorce settlements by breadwinning wives (4 March 2017)

‘I’m NOT a gold digger’: The ex-wife vilified as a cold, cunning chancer after winning a huge rise in maintenance payments 15 YEARS after her divorce blasts back and says it’s all her ex’s fault (13 February 2017) UK

Divorced men doomed to life as a cash machine‘ by Martin Daubney (12 February 2017)

‘Reliable honest’ husband who handed his wife, 51, all of his ready cash in a divorce 15 years ago is told he must up her maintenance after she blows the lot on ‘unwise property investments’ (7 February 2017) UK

Fashion tycoon’s ex-wife wins £2.7m slice of his fortune more than a DECADE after they divorced as judge condemns him as a liar (26 January 2017)

Wife’s Capability To Earn No Reason To Reduce Maintenance Awarded To Her (20 January 2017) India

Custody, Child Support, and Alimony in the 50 States (2016)

Cancer center founder’s ex-wife seeks $400K/month as divorce trial opens (19 October 2016) USA

Men will only get equality in custody cases when women face some hard truths(26 August 2016) Ireland

“The family law researcher observed 493 judicial separation and divorce cases in 2010, which are ordinarily held in private. But she couldn’t find a single case where the wife was ordered to pay maintenance for children or a spouse, and had only seen the courts order joint custody in two cases.”

Don’t Blame Divorce on Money. Ask: Did the Husband Have a Job? (28 July 2016) Men, get ready for a triple whammy … employment redundancy->divorce->divorce rape/alimony (->suicide?)

Rich wives being told to get a job as judges clamp down on ‘meal ticket’ divorces – lawyers (20 July 2016) UK

Former millionaire brands UK laws unfair to men after divorce judges gave ALL his money to his ex-wife and threatened him with jail if he didn’t pay maintenance (15 July 2016)

A letter to … my wife, who won’t get a job while I work myself to death (2 July 2016) The flip side of this coin – the exploitation of many men begins long before they get divorced.

Supermodel Christina Estrada Wants Ex to Pay for Her $262 Million Lifestyle (29 June 2016) and she only gets 75 million pounds. Boo hoo! “The legal process had been “incredibly bruising and distressing,” she added.”

Father’s dying ‘wish’ voids woman’s divorce payout, say judges (11 June 2016) Australia

Are all women gold-diggers? (27 May 2016)

Johnny Depp protects $400 million fortune as he rejects Amber Heard’s request for spousal support in divorce papers (26 May 2016) No pre-nup … what were you thinking Johnny? And Amber, married only 15  months and already wealthy yet still feels justified in sticking out her paw for $50,000/month spousal support … ewww. Apparently she burns through $43,000/month (further details here). Hard on the heels of Johnny’s rejection of spousal support came Amber’s accusation of domestic violence (see here, here, and here) – but might this be a lie? Never fear, Clementine Ford knows who’s naughty and who’s nice (hint: vagina=nice). Alyssa knows he’s guilty too. So that’s at least two feminists. Jail the cad! And as for those women close to Johny speaking up in his defence – clearly, suffering from internalised misogyny.

David Hasselhoff No More Alimony!!! I Want to Retire (18 April 2016) Fair? Of course it isn’t – the word parasite springs to mind

Florida alimony profits and child custody litigation preserved by governor’s veto (16 April 2016)

Rosenblum: As times change, should alimony change, too? (25 March 2016)

Afeni Shakur And Whether Or Not Men Deserve Alimony (18 March 2016) USA

Florida Bar Association says it no longer supports alimony-reform bill it helped write (16 March 2016)

Divorcee wins 90 per cent of husband’s wealth in bitter court battle (14 March 2016) UK, with related Reddit discussion thread here. See Janet Bloomfield’s (a respected female MHRA) response to this judgement here.

Group pushes male-dominated S.C. Legislature to change permanent alimony law (1 March 2016) USA

The 11 richest women in Britain who mostly got their wealth through marriage (9 February 2016)

Family court robs men and demeans women by splitting property equally when a marriage ends (6 February 2016) Australia

Report: NJ woman sued for writing ‘bum’ and ‘loser’ on ex-spouse’s alimony checks (19 December 2015) More on this case in this discussion thread and linked article

John Cleese feels ‘free to do the things that interest him’ after paying off £12million divorce settlement to ex wife Alyce Faye Eichelberger (26 November 2015)

Breadwinning Women Are Driving Alimony Reform (18 November 2015) and related reddit discussion thread

Even though 37% of women earn more money than their husbands, only 3% of divorced men receive alimony (30 June 2015) Reddit discussion thread

Retired farmer must pay more in alimony than monthly income, Nebraska Supreme Court rules (27 June 2015)

Divorce Math: She gets 60%, plus alimony, plus “child” support, plus probably attorney fees (April 2015) Reddit mens rights discussion thread

Jason and Amanda Dufner divorce after three years of marriage (31 March 2015) Amanda gets a million a year … for what exactly?

Construction tycoon left ‘homeless’ after ex-wife wins 80% of his property in divorce (26 March 2015)

Forced to pay for a child that DNA proves isn’t his (24 March 2015)

Wife seeks more alimony over ex’s new lookalike girlfriend (20 March 2015) and related reddit mensrights discussion thread

Former hippy wins right to claim ex’s post-divorce wealth (12 March 2015) The same court ruling is also discussed in this article (15 March 2015)

Are Moms Less Likely Than Dads To Pay Child Support? (26 February 2015)

Divorced wife told to get a job and stop living off her ex-husband (23 February 2015)

Woman sues ex-husband for a share of wealth he made years after they divorced (9 December 2014)

Why Do So Few Men Get Alimony? (20 November 2014) USA

Working woman in /r/legaladvice divorcing and is horrified that she has to give part-time-working ex-husband half her assets (15 November 2014)

Ex-wife of US oil baron to appeal $1 billion divorce award (13 November 2014)

State Orders Man to Pay $30,000 in Welfare Benefits for Child Both Mother and DNA Test Say isn’t his (24 October 2014)

Deadbeat moms? Should mothers be required to pay child support? (20 April 2014) and related reddit mensrights discussion thread

Jail Becomes Home for Husband Stuck With Lifetime Alimony (27 August 2013)

Halle Berry’s Child-Support Fight: Female Breadwinners Can’t Have It Both Ways (20 October 2014)

Businessman is ordered to pay £28,500 to ex-girlfriend in landmark court ruling because he led her to believe he would look after her for life (17 October 2014)

Veteran chooses jail over giving his disability money to ex-wife (17 September 2014)

Alimony is broken – But let’s not fix it (1 September 2014)

Who’s the Daddy? (23 October 2010) and related reddit discussion thread. Paternity testing should be mandatory where child support is sought – why is this idea being opposed?

The New Art of Alimony (31 October 2009)

I just love how a “prominent family lawyer” recently emerged from the woodwork to call for new pre-nuptial laws in Britain: “Lady Deech said on Radio 4’s Sunday Programme: ‘Lots of young women these days are working, earning well, and would feel it extremely unfair if a young man who they marry and perhaps leaves them is going to take with him a sizeable chunk of what they have worked so hard for.”

Oh, extremely Baroness! Presumably you’ve silently observed countless men get fleeced over past decades, but now that some women have moved into the position of primary bread-winner in the family, it’s suddenly time to act. Oh and have a read about what happened to Ms Luckwell.

And now for a bit of male-shaming:

“Bristol’s rep David Martin slammed Meyer for seeking child support despite being a decorated member of the Marine Corps that has received the Congressional Medal of Honor. “My values are such that a real American hero doesn’t ask for child support,” said Martin.” (Source)

Now consider the gall/hypocrisy of this feminist journalist as she berates a man who obtained a court-ordered settlement upon divorce (+ related reddit discussion thread).

See also:

On spousal maintenance in Australia

Give Your Money To Women: The End Game of Capitalism (10 August 2015)

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Deep down in places feminists don’t talk about at parties (‘pussy cartel’)

Let’s set aside the dictionary definition of feminism. And all the nice cuddly things feminists are quoted as saying in the mainstream media. There are other significant considerations or issues of concern to real-world feminists. But even though they may feel deeply about them, they rarely admit to it. This post is about one such issue. It’s referred to under different names including women’s sexual currency, erotic capital, or the ‘pussy cartel’.

Have you ever wondered why feminists have such a visceral reaction to the topic of western men with foreign wives, prostitution (involving men paying women for sex), men viewing pornography, men using sex aids for solo pleasure, and MGTOW?

That reaction is summed up succinctly in this post in a discussion thread about men with foreign wives:

“Anything that gives men more options seems to piss them off.  Also why they despise prostitution. They really seem to think that women derive value from sex, and treat any women who aren’t trading it for things as they see fit, the way a union views scabs.” (Source)

Yes, sure, that’s just one person commenting about a one particular topic. But I have seen the same suggestion put forward, often simply as an aside, by others in many separate discussions about the various topics listed above.

Granted this does not apply to all women who identify as feminists, but please let’s not divert into the maze that is NAFALT. Likewise I won’t be side-tracked into discussions as to the fairness or appropriateness of women choosing to sleep with alpha males rather than ‘nice guys’, or remaining celibate, or whatever. Women can choose to do pretty much whatever they want with their own bodies. And, aside from women in sexual servitude in third-world countries, women exercise this choice every day of their lives. Good for them.

What I do object to though, is the denial and hypocrisy surrounding the reality of modern-day sexual mores, and of feminists claiming the moral high ground when often so very poorly qualified to do so. And to those who acknowledge reality but attempt to lay responsibility at the feet of the ‘patriarchy’, I say nonsense! Utter nonsense!

In the film ‘A Few Good Men‘, a ‘Code Red’ was said to be an unofficial military order to rough up an uncooperative soldier, with the aim of enforcing and strengthening team unity. Who remembers Jack Nicholson (as Col. Jessep) bellowing the line: “You don’t want the truth because deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall.”.

Is it true in fact that feminists recognise that a woman’s strongest (and increasingly now their only significant) bargaining chip is their power to grant or withhold sexual relief?

Is it not also that feminists see people who fall into the categories mentioned above (e.g. men with Asian wives, etc) as devaluing the sexual currency of  women, and loathe them for it? Often even seeking retribution against them?

Does the feminist version of a ‘Code Red’ consist of a package of shaming tactics? For example, slut-shaming for prostitutes and party girls. Shaming of men with Asian wives with comments like “you couldn’t get a woman in your own country” and “you’re too weak to handle a union of equals“.

This theme is explored further in the following papers:

Pornographic Progress, Sexbots and the Salvation of Man (7 April 2016)

Author Tells Women to Use Their “P*ssy Power” to Get the Men They Want (6 April 2015)

Study reveals price plays exclusive part in women’s approval of sexualy explicit advertisements (9 December 2013)

Seems like its women who mostly slut-shame (27 September 2014)

You can’t get laid in the United States (26 September 2011)

http://theumlaut.com/2013/07/02/the-economics-of-slut-shaming/

http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/sex-cartel/

http://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/20ptr7/stormblade260_explains_why_people_think_women/

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/yasmin-alibhai-brown/yasmin-alibhaibrown-women-without-any-rights-know-all-about-erotic-capital-2341700.html

http://www.the-niceguy.com/articles/SupplyDemand.html

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/07/08/sexual-economics/

Gender hypocrisy in porn debate (25 September 2013) This article was also reproduced in the AVfM web site with readers comments (some quite funny)

Intimate partner sexual abuse (3 August 2014)

Feminism’s homophobic roots – demanding compulsory heterosexuality because homosexuality oppresses women (A discussion thread on reddit/mensrights, July 2014) One reads little about the relationship between feminism and gay males, although there are quite a few gay male MRA.

Women should masturbate but men who do are lonely creeps

They’re afraid of men masturbating (20 September 2010)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nica-noelle/are-women-sexually-oppressing-men_b_5582485.html

Reddit discussion thread on slut-shaming

A Cold War fought by women, The New York Times (18 November 2013)

Women call other women sluts to guard their social standing: Study (29 May 2014)

Elsewhere in this blog you might be interested in reading:

Western men with Asian women: Gender relations through a different frame of reference

On Australian men seeking foreign partners

On sex, sexuality and sluts

Girls showing their bits = empowerment? patriarchal exploitation? self-indulgence? other?

On prostitution

Will fembots be a game changer?

On prostitution

What exactly is prostitution? Most people immediately focus on the version of prostitution that we usually see portrayed in the media. This is about men going to brothels or picking up women standing by the road, and purchasing an hour of their time in exchange for engaging in various sexual activities.

The first thing wrong about this picture, however, is that in real life the prostitute and the customer may be either male or female or transgender.

The second thing to note is that the payment for services rendered sometimes occurs after the act, sometimes well after. That payment may not be in cash either, it might (for example) take the form of a gift or gifts. In such cases we begin to move into the realm of mistresses or ‘sugar babies‘ or ‘paid dating‘, for example.

From here on in we launch into even murkier philosophical waters. For example some people argue that spousal support payments as routinely ordered by divorce courts are, at least in some circumstances, a form of prostitution (delayed payment for services earlier rendered). Some feminists, like Jane Caro, have even suggested that marriage itself is a form of prostitution (see here and here). Others go further and say that any form of paid work is a form of prostitution, in that work involves someone selling the use of their body by the hour.

What is the feminist perspective on prostitution? Well it depends on the particular feminist you are speaking to, but most see it as highly undesirable and indicative of patriarchal exploitation of women. In keeping with feminist discussion on many other issues, feminists routinely ignore those aspects of reality that don’t support their narrative. Thus they assiduously look the other way when it comes to male prostitutes, woman who pay for prostitutes, women who operate trafficking or prostitution businesses, and women (with other employment/income options) who freely choose to work as prostitutes.

Driven by their narrative, feminists in various countries have lobbied to have the act of selling sex decriminalised whilst making the act of buying sex a crime (example). And again, in this particular debate both feminists and media alike keep discussion focussed on female prostitutes and male clients.

In a September 2014 discussion on an Australian TV program, Kay Hymowitz raised feminist hackles by questioning why prostitution warranted being a major feminist issue, at least in part because of the relatively small number of women who were prostitutes. One of the other panelists then stated that it warranted being a major issue because one in four men used prostitutes (cue applause). So it’s all about the ‘menz’, huh? Comments like this reinforce the view that a significant factor underlying female opposition to prostitution is the notion of devaluing women’s ‘sexual currency‘.

Please review the selected linked articles below for further information:

Spanish court rules union of sex workers illegal (21 November 2018)

Australian sex workers have a message for women in relationships: ‘Understand your man’ (23 March 2017)

Legislation to clear prostitutes of criminal charges while shifting the blame to the nearest man (14 January 2017) USA. Reddit discussion thread with linked article

‘Why should I wait any longer?’: 20-year-old student auctions virginity online for $230,000 (28 September 2016)

Decriminalization of Sex Work Is Not Associated with More Men Paying for Sex: Results from the Second Australian Study of Health and Relationships (24 February 2016)

Eat, pay, love: A new app lets women charge for a night out (14 July 2016) with related Reddit discussion thread here

Daddies, “Dates,” and the Girlfriend Experience: Welcome to the New Prostitution Economy (7 July 2016)

‘Do you think we’ll pay for bad things we’ve done?’ Revelations of Aussie sex tourists in Thailand (3 July 2016) Feminist blogger Jas ‘Rawlinson’ Swilks serves up clickbait journalism that vilifies (white) men whilst promoting a biased misrepresentation of the Thai sex trade. See related Reddit discussion thread here, and follow-up post from the Ms Swilks here.

It is both an affront and most ironic that the author implies that expat men committing suicide in Thailand are doing so out of feelings of guilt (supposedly due to exploiting bar girls). These suicides are a real issue, but I would wager that the cause is the legacy of a life-time of exposure to the toxic anti-male environment in their countries of origin, this leading to substance abuse and general feelings of failure and hopelessness.

In reality many western feminists could not give a damn about the welfare of Asian sex-workers. Their real agenda is male demonization esp. in relating to curtailing the expression of male sexuality. Some background on that aspect in this blog post.

The author of this article conveniently fails to mention that:

  • plenty of western women also travel to Asia for sex (both commercial and non-commercial)
  • many Thai prostitutes are male or transgender (and are apparently not worth ‘rescuing’?)
  • many if not most men who travel to Asia don’t have sex with prostitutes

It is absurd to suggest that “Australian men [are] among the largest contributors to sex tourism in southeast Asia”. The reality is that Caucasian clients are simply the icing on the cake of the Thai sex industry, and Australians only one of many groups represented amongst tourist/expat clients.

Many (or even most) of these so-called sex-worker “rescue” organisations are either woefully ineffective in terms of getting girls out of the industry permanently – or they are out-and-out scams (example).

The dangers of rebranding prostitution as ‘sex work’ (7 June 2016) By feminist activist Kat Banyard

Sex trade surivors deserve a chance to speak (8 April 2016) Australia. Imagine feminists decrying those villains who would deny others a platform to speak. Oh the irony!

Why France Is Adopting A New Law That Criminalizes The Clients, Not Prostitutes (8 April 2016) with related Reddit discussion thread here

Prostitution row: A ‘male sex deficit’ – what about us horny women? (6 August) and related reddit discussion thread

Amnesty International says prostitution is a human right – but it’s wrong (29 July 2015) and related reddit discussion thread

Over half of UK prostitutes find their work rewarding (5 March 2015) Short video

Tag The Sponsor Exposes The Depravity Of Modern Women (2 March 2015)

A letter to my MP about laws on prostitution (12 November 2014)

Push to ban Swedes buying sex abroad (7 October 2014)

Who runs the girls? (20 September 2014)

Canada is following the wrong lead on prostitution (12 August 2014)

The truth about radical feminism (15 July 2014)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2fCPvuoHx0

All about the men (9 May 2014)

Men have a right to prostitutes? Really? (23 May 2014)

Conflict and agency among sex workers and pimps: A closer look at domestic minor sex trafficking (28 March 2014)

Reddit discussion thread on European moves to legalise prostitution but make buying sex illegal (the thread links to an article dated 26 February 2014)

“Getting Away” With Hating It: Consent in the Context of Sex Work (21 March 2013)

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-governance-feminism/joy-smith-continues-her-attack-on-men/

http://reason.com/blog/2014/04/03/katha-pollitt-sex-work-and-patriarchy

http://www.thenation.com/article/179147/why-do-so-many-leftists-want-sex-work-be-new-normal#

http://pjmedia.com/drhelen/2014/04/07/legalizing-prostitution/

Do female pimps do it better? (17 September 2009)

 The relationship between prostitution and spousal support/alimony

Marriage is prostitution (A Youtube video)

http://www.thelizlibrary.org/site-index/site-index-frame.html#soulhttp://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/001.htm

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1530033

Other related issues

Radical feminists’ objection to sex work is profoundly un-feminist (9 August 2017)

Why Cambodia’s sex workers don’t need to be saved (23 March 2016)

Feminism and male trafficking (17 December 2015)

When Rhode Island accidentally legalised prostitution, rape decreased sharply (17 July 2014)

Youtube video called ‘Sex, lies and Rinsing Guys’

Fembots may prove to be a game changer

‘Fembot’ is a term used to describe a robot with the outward appearance of a female human, the Wikipedia entry for which can be found here.

I saw a peculiar documentary on TV in which one of the people being interviewed was a guy who had a life-size plastic girlfriend. He referred to women as either “organics” or “synthetics”. He preferred synthetics. Well, OK, whatever floats your boat I guess. But this guy’s girlfriend has nothing on what’s coming, as discussed in this article.

One would imagine though, that only a small percentage of men (or women) would be content with a robot as a partner. Fembots are never going to completely replace the need for human companionship. What they will do however, possibly in conjunction with virtual reality technology, is increasingly provide a fuss-free outlet for the human libido.

I wonder how the emergence and growing popularity of fembots might alter the status quo with regards to various aspects of the gender debate? To what extent, for example, will fembots alter or replace conventional dating/marriage, facilitate a MGTOW lifestyle, or undermine the so-called ‘pussy cartel‘?

I suspect that most feminists would consider a world in which fembots were plentiful as a paradise for misogynists. Indeed, the Wiki definition linked above includes reference to the term ‘misogyny’. The entry for the term ‘dildo‘ neglects to mention the term ‘misandry’ … yet another double standard.

And as sure as god made little green apples there is already a feminist push-back involving calls for bans or controls on the development, production and sale of fembots (refer examples herehere, and here).

One particular strategy being pursuing is to create an association between fembots and pedophilia. They are doing so by, for example, creating the impression that a “surge” in the sale of child-like sex robots is underway:

Illegal childlike sex doll imports on the rise in Australia and New Zealand (8 July 2017)
Surge in paedophiles arrested for importing lifelike child sex dolls (31 July 2017)
The one disgusting request sex doll brothel owner always turns down (10 October 2017)

[Allow me to digress for a moment … This is not to say that artificial intelligence (AI) does not pose a significant danger to humankind, for it does. It’s just that, within that context, the relative significance of some possible nexus between humanoids and how men treat women amounts to little more than navel lint-picking. Ditto for manufactured debates as to whether robots should be accorded rights or protections in relation to, for example, sexual functions. Indeed such debates and attendant policy responses, whether they be genuine or simply disguised attempts to control male sexuality, could be exploited by machines with AI to move against humans. Think this is science fiction? Well, think again.]

Ever heard the observation that less attractive women tend to have the best personalities? The idea is that physically unattractive people tend to work harder at developing other appealing attributes. Many women overtly use their sexuality to attract mates and subsequently extract various advantages. Their sexuality is like a strong perfume that covers all manner of odious traits like bad manners, selfishness, and dishonesty.

Now imagine a world where men had an alternative and readily available outlet to satisfy their sexual needs. One that lacked some of the attributes of human company, but had none of the negative features (e.g. the threat of false accusations, financial abuse, domestic violence, etc).

To some extent, and I know it seems a bit of a stretch at this stage, all women would find themselves on more of a level playing-field with regards to physical attractiveness. Heterosexual men would be more inclined to place greater value on non-sexual attributes of women, just as in the case of homosexual guys [in their dealings with women] do now. Women who had little to offer other than sex appeal might find well themselves somewhat devalued in the dating marketplace, if not shunned entirely by many men.

Such a situation could in fact be quite liberating and a win/win for many women, given that pressure for sex would be somewhat reduced. Just as women (well, those who valued male company at least) would have a heightened incentive to be the best person they could be, so too men might be freer to engage and express themselves in a non-sexual sense.

More relevant material in these sources:

Sex robot advocate Professor Adrian David Cheok given Queen’s Birthday honour (11 June 2019)

Could you fall in love with a robot? It may be more likely than you think (7 May 2019)

Japanese sex robot brothel gets surge of men asking for male sex dolls (29 April 2019)

Using love dolls as a substitute for human intimacy (10 January 2019)

The men in love with $7,000 sex dolls: Subculture of ‘iDollators’ who marry and develop romances with inanimate partners after swearing off ‘flesh and blood’ women (11 November 2018)

Sex robot brothels are now banned in Houston. But people can still have sex with them (3 October 2018)

Prediction: Sex Robots Are The Most Disruptive Technology We Didn’t See Coming (25 September 2018)

“There are millions of real women who do more damage to objectify women than any robot could ever do”

Sex robots turning Japanese into ‘ENDANGERED species’ as men choose dolls over women (24 July 2018)

Sex robot makers blasted over sick ‘family friendly’ dolls (16 July 2018) Ooh, really working hard at creating reasons to ban them aren’t they, starting with the good old ‘think of the kids’ angle.

At last, a sex robot that ‘wants’ you. How sad that anyone would want it (27 June 2018)

My fake conversation with a sex robot (16 June 2018) The left crowd of the mainstream media try to get their heads around the fembot phenomenon in yet another version of the never-ending “Where have all the good men gone?” story theme.

Robot hysteria and the fear of future sex by Gloria Brame (14 June 2018)

Report: More Than a Quarter of Millennials Would Date a Robot (8 December 2017)

Japanese robot ‘bad boy’ believes his creation Erica has a ‘soul’ (2 December 2017)

We interview Harmony – the sex robot with a Scottish accent (1 December 2017)

Sex robots spark rise of men who will only sleep with dolls (28 November 2017) Note the conversation steered away from WHY men might prefer fembots, with implication that it’s due only to some unspecified male moral and/or mental failing.

Sex robot boom as maker seeks to MASS PRODUCE in UK, US and German factories (25 November 2017)

Demand for sex robots rises as customers ask for ’emotional’ cyborgs that can fulfil their kinky fetishes (20 November 2017)

News: Sex robots dangerous? (19 November 2017) Video

Sophia the robot shows off her newsreading skills (25 October 2017)

First sex-doll brothel opens in Germany, selling ‘plastic prostitutes’ (19 October 2017)

Sex Robots: Part 2 — The “good enough” threshold (16 October 2017)

Sex with a robot? Joy Behar says: “If they can program a robot to find your G-spot and take out the trash, men are history!” (14 October 2017)

‘Times are changing’ World’s first sex robot WEDDING on the cards (13 October 2017)

The Bunny Ranch Is Aiming To Have Sexbots Available By 2019 (10 October 2017)

24% Of American Men Would Have Sex With A Robot (10 October 2017)

How sex robots could help with the nuts and bolts of relationships (3 October 2017)

Sex robots and the breakdown of gender dynamics (1 October 2017) Video

Can you tell if she’s a robot or a human? ‘Life-like android’ at a Tokyo gaming conference baffles social media (28 September 2017)

Invasion of the sex robots (25 September 2017) Video by Paul Elam

Should we ban sex robots while we have the chance? (25 September 2017)

Feminist claims sex dolls can be raped (21 September 2017) Some entertaining readers comments

Feminism’s worst nightmare (18 September 2017) Video

Celestina the fembot dollsplains some concerns about sex robots (5 September 2017) Video

Sex robot TAX: Government could kill off cyborgs with ‘10,000% price hike’ (26 August 2017)

Austrian brothel buys a SECOND sex doll after its first became more popular with customers than real women (22 August 2017)

Woman spends $13,000 to become a real life sex doll (22 August 2017) When you want to compete with sex dolls but developing a pleasant personality is too challenging

Law professor warns: Congress must act on growing sexbot industry (14 August 2017) Reddit discussion thread

“Women’s bodies; women’s choices. Men’s bodies; threatening and must be watched and controlled!”

Would YOU hop into bed with a sexbot? Tracey Cox reveals why women should embrace dolls for BETTER orgasms (2 August 2017)

‘Sex robot’ brothels gaining popularity in Europe (31 July 2017)

Sex robots will change everything (15 July 2017) Video

Increasingly Nervous Women Push for Faux “Sex Robot Rights” Agenda (14 July 2017) Reddit discussion thread and linked article.

Sex robots: innovation driven by male masturbatory fantasy is not a revolution (6 July 2017)

Sex robots trigger debate about gender and sexism: DiManno (6 July 2017)

Call for a ban on child sex robots (5 July 2017)

Will sex robots become the new norm? Report looks at uses of life-like robots (5 July 2017)

Looking for love: Unhappy Japanese men turn to silicone sex dolls (30 June 2017)

Sex Robots Are Coming, and They’re Not as Skeevy as You Think (2 June 2017)

A new barrier to replacing women with technology (5 May 2017)

Virtual reality technology is the future of porn (3 May 2017)

Race to create the best artificially intelligent sex robot (1 May 2017)

Why female sex robots are more dangerous than you think (28 April 2017)

Sex robots epitomize patriarchy and offer men a solution to the threat of female independence (27 April 2017) Ooh, feel the feminist burn. I wonder if Meghan hand-washes her clothes, or prefers to “dominate” a washing machine.

Meet Harmony 2.0, the world’s first ‘talking’ sex doll (5 April 2017)

Europe’s first sex robot brothel FORCED OUT of base as prostitutes complain of competition (16 March 2017) Spain

First European sex doll brothel opens in Barcelona where punters can ‘fulfil fantasies without limit’ (1 March 2017)

Introducing the Gatebox virtual companion (13 February 2017)

Woman reveals what it’s like to make love to a lifelike robot male sex doll (16 January 2017)

Japanese men so scared of sex they’re marrying hologram wives that want them to be their ‘master’  (27 December 2016) Typically, this article mocks men rather than recognising/discussing how women/society also play a role in such developments.

Robot marriages will be recognised by the state within 35 years, a top academic has claimed (21 December 2016)

Sex robots would give us only what we think we want, and not what we truly desire (21 December 2016)

Why female sex robots are more dangerous than you think (20 December 2016) With related Reddit discussion thread here.

Toothpaste? Check. Soap? Check. Vibrator? Check (14 December 2016) Another article demonstrating the prevailing mindset of celebrating/idealising female sexuality versus demonising male sexuality.

Campaign Against Sex Robots warns of danger to women and children (25 November 2016) Think of the children!

Automation will embed gender inequality at work – unless we fix it now (9 November 2016) Feminists suspicious of all robots, not just fembots!

From adult toys to lovers: Would you have sex with a robot? (9 October 2016)

‘Out of this world’ sex: Erotic robots ‘real as humans’ to have a pulse (16 September 2016)

We will happily be having sex with robots soon, according to scientists (8 September 2016)

Sex robots could soon be in brothels sooner than we think (24 August 2016)

Sex doll makers “putting finishing touches” to artificial intelligence app so they can love you back (18 August 2016)

Sex and robots: how mechanical dolls may press all the right buttons for lonesome guys (30 July 2016) Hong Kong

Geeks fall in love with sexy humanoid dubbed ‘robot goddess’ – and she isn’t just a pretty face (29 June 2016)

At last, a cure for feminism: sex robots (10 June 2016)

Sex robots to storm into the British bedroom within ten years (9 June 2016)

Why This Guy Fell In Love With a Sex Robot (20 May 2016) with related Reddit discussion thread here

The world’s most high-end sex dolls are on display in Japan (2 May 2016)

When robots are an instrument of male desire (27 April 2016)

Why do we give robots female names? Because we don’t want to consider their feelings (22 April 2016) with related Reddit discussion thread here.

Virtual Reality Porn Is Coming To Las Vegas Hotel Rooms (20 April 2016)

Meet Jia Jia the ‘robot goddess’: Chinese inventor claims AI humanoid is the most realistic ever made (16 April 2016)

The Challenge of Determining Whether an A.I. Is Sentient (14 April 2016)

An article in ‘Salon’ about male sex toys (11 April 2016) Female author seems oblivious to the fact that men might want such devices as an alternative to a female partner, rather than as an add-on

Pornographic Progress, Sexbots and the Salvation of Man (7 April 2016)

What Do These Robots Mean For The Future Of Sex? (23 March 2016)

Will Sex Robots Make Real Women Obsolete? (21 March 2016) Reddit mensrights discussion thread

Vibrators are SEXIST: MRA says ‘brutal’ love machines will turn women into misandrist monsters (17 February 2016)

Feminists want to ban sex robots ‘because they’re like prostitutes’ (15 February 2016) UK

My robot Valentine: could you fall in love with a robot? (11 February 2016)

Makers of ‘mindblowing’ sex robot with virtual vagina swamped with orders (3 February 2016)

The future of sex includes robots and holograms. What does that mean for us? (14 January 2016)

Sex, love and robots: is this the end of intimacy? (13 December 2015)

Love and Sex with Robots conference cancelled for fear people would have sex with robots (26 October 2015)

Sex with robots will become reality by 2050, author claims (30 September 2015)

Advent of the virgin births: Women who have never been in a relationship paying £5,000 to get pregnant (27 September 2015) So, apparently it’s OK for women to not need men but not OK for men to not need women

The Campaign against Sex Robots website (seriously!?)

The feminist outrage at sexbots (24 September 2015) Video

Sexbots increase the market value of some women. Bring ‘em on!, by Janet Bloomfield (17 September 2015) USA

Progressive feminists: Ban sex robots! (16 September 2015) Video

Sexbots: Why women should panic (16 September 2015) Another great article from Milo Y – he really nails the subject. And > 1,000 readers comments already

Robots with artificial intelligence that can have sex with humans should be banned says a university academic (16 September 2015)

Will Sex Robots Make Real Women Obsolete? (15 September 2015) Video

Synthetic Love: Can a Human Fall in Love With a Robot? (23 June 2015)

“Robots designed for sex can’t say no, therefore having sex with one should be considered rape” – Jincey Lumpkin(TED) (17 April 2015) Reddit mensrights discussion thread and linked video

Ex Machina is less a movie about the nature of AI and more about the fantasies of men (23 March 2015) Because, of course, women never fantasize about obtaining sexual pleasure from machines

A vibrator is not a substitute for a partner. But how do you tell men that? (21 March 2015) This is the female perspective – but is it the same when the boot is on the other foot?

Toshiba’s android Chihira Aico is ready to work and play (10 January 2015)

Serious question, when “sex bots” start being made and sold, what will change in our society and culture? (24 November 2014) Reddit mensrights discussion thread

Sick child-like sex dolls being imported by accused paedophiles (9 November 2014)

‘I believe that it will become perfectly normal for people to have sex with robots’ (26 October 2014)

These Japanese sex dolls  (13 August 2014)

A (straight male) history of sex dolls (6 August 2014)

Will you lose your job to a robot? (6 August 2014) Scroll down to comment by Stowe Boyd

This blow job machine went viral, but will we let men enjoy it without shame? (July 2014)

http://np.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/22uoeq/radviceanimals_discusses_sex_bot_for_men_women/

Will robots replace prostitutes? (9 May 2014)

Year 2060 – The end of feminism due to fembots and artificial uteri

And this development takes technology forward in a different direction … Artificial wombs are coming (4 August 2014)

Are robots the future of sex?: Jincey Lumpkin Esq. at TEDxSiliconAlley (6 March 2013)

Human-like robots created by Japanese engineers (2 November 2011) Video

Tomoko Tamari interviews Jennifer Robertson on Robo-Sexism in Japan (22 September 2010)

The Windup Girl (novel)

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Elsewhere in this blog you might be interested in reading:

Deep down in places that feminists don’t talk about at parties (‘pussy cartel’)

Western men with Asian women: Gender relations through a different frame of reference

Privilege, respect, and entitlement

Privilege

Kathy Gyngell: The silence of the males (13 November 2017)

There is no ‘debate’ to be had over the existence of male privilege, by Ruby Hamad (1 June 2017)

Insanity grows on Australian campuses: Melbourne U starts “white male privilege” workshops (30 May 2017)

Do you think women will ever recognise their privilege? (23 December 2016) Reddit men’s rights discussion thread.

Lessons on ‘male privilege’ in $21.8m Victorian schools program (14 October 2016) Australia

Is it ever possible to accept victimhood as a man? (7 October 2016)

Ten privileges of being male (4 October 2016) Video

Women Are Privileged, But Feminism Lies to Us (14 July 2016) USA

I love my female privilege, by Janet Bloomfield (2 April 2016) USA. Video. Don’t miss the viewers comments

Feminism = Theft (2 January 2016)

The truth about male privilege, by Stefan Molyneux (27 May 2015) Video

Finland Warns 900,000 Men About War Conscription; Feminists Remain Silent (9 June 2015)

Louder Than Words: What Modern Feminism Has Actually Achieved (3 June 2015)

The harrowingly oppressive burden of female privilege (9 January 2015)

circumcission

I renounce my female legal privileges (11 October 2014)

5 legal rights that women have that men don’t (13 August 2014)

48 Female Privileges, by Sargon of Akkad (7 May 2014) Video

It happened to me: I’m a short guy (30 January 2012)

Abandoning men: Jill gets welfare – Jack becomes homeless (15 April 2011)

How can you be an anti-feminist? Do you not believe in equality?

http://thoughtcatalog.com/chelsea-fagan/2013/02/white-girl-privilege-and-the-problem-with-blaming-all-men/

http://equality4men.com/2013/11/03/10-reasons-we-need-a-campaign-to-end-violence-against-men-and-boys/

Why do white men have any right to give their WHITE MAN opinions about non WHITE MAN issues?

Pray men never take a day off (18 September 2013)

http://youngcons.com/meet-the-poster-child-for-white-privilege-then-have-your-mind-blown/ (reprinted here with many readers comments)

http://www.theonion.com/articles/white-male-privilege-squandered-on-job-at-best-buy,35835/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2606501/As-UN-inspector-claims-worlds-sexist-country-Sexist-Nonsense-Britain-best-place-Earth-woman.html

http://thoughtcatalog.com/mark-saunders/2014/04/18-things-females-seem-to-not-understand-because-female-privilege/ and the subsequent feminist response here

http://thoughtcatalog.com/gordon-avery/2014/04/female-privilege-is-real-and-we-need-to-talk-about-it-like-adults/#disqus_thread

http://www.cultural-misandry.com/female-only-programs/ versus http://www.cultural-misandry.com/mens-rights/

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/230e22/privilege_checking_is_classist_and_ineffective/

http://dontneedfeminism.tumblr.com/post/71296725109/discrimination-of-men-facts

privilege

Respect

A while ago I came across a US state program that was designed to encourage males to have respect for women. The organisation ‘A Voice for Men’ responded with a provocative and graphic statement along the lines of “we’ll have respect for those people who are deserving of respect”. Read the comments that follow the pictures to capture the essence of the ensuing discussion.

David was one amongst the many feminists and camp followers to bite back. David’s article concluded with the statement:

“The logic here is airtight: because some women get drunk and urinate in public, women don’t deserve respect.

I guess men never get drunk and urinate in public, or ever do anything vaguely embarrassing that gets caught on camera?

Is it really asking too much to respect people as people, foibles and all?”

Well David, yes it is too much to ask of feminists apparently. Can you name even one single male “foible” that feminists are willing to accept?

Men do some gross things, and its usually no-one’s fault but our own. The difference is that we admit it instead of denying it to maintain a moral high ground above the opposite sex … or alternatively blaming our behaviour on someone else or some mythical matriachy. Hell when some guys really go too far we even express pointed criticism of their behaviour, and urge them to lift their game. Another significant point of difference, yes?

If feminists were truly into equality then surely they would support a reciprocal program that urged girls and women to ‘Respect men’. No? What’s that I hear? Guffaws of laughter instead? Telling, isn’t it?

In fact on that point, a post that I recently contributed to an online discussion was zapped by a moderator because I concluded with the suggestion that women should respect men (in the same sentence I also said men should respect women). It wasn’t even a feminist site either. This is what things have come to … simply suggesting that women should respect men is just cause to be labelled a ‘redneck’ or similar.

I guess one gender must be more equal than the other, or something.

See also:

CNN Advocates Female Infidelity As Best Way For Women To “Endure” Modern Marriage (6 October 2017)

Bad Girls Advice group removed from Facebook over bestiality posts (22 July 2017)

UCSC Girls: College Boys are Creepy, Arrogant, and Suck in Bed (17 April 2017) USA. So much respect

YouTuber promises to release sex tape (23 January 2017) Feminists can find the time to criticize men on the basis of just about anything, but criticise a woman for eroding respect for women? No way, well not unless they are conservative and/or anti-feminist.

Stripper: There are many girls like Stacey (8 January 2017) Australia. Not seeing any thing here along the lines of an admission of greed, amorality and reckless stupidity. Yeah, girl power

Queensland woman in custody over sex acts with dog (20 November 2016)

Women now use the F-bomb more than men (8 November 2016)

Ladies, you are an utter disgrace (2 November 2016)

Former wife of All Black talks about ‘rampant temptation’ players face (7 October 2016) Notice there is not even a hint of criticism directed towards the girls/women throwing themselves at the players.

Woman arrested for urinating on war memorial (3 July 2016) UK

Ladies, you need to stop husband-shaming (11 May 2016)

Why are married women leaving their men? (14 April 2016)

Mum smoked meth while men gang-raped daughter (6 April 2016) USA

Gold Coast cancer fraud mum sentenced to five years in jail (29 March 2016)

Moment two women who promised a holidaymaker a threesome lead the weary man to a cash machine to empty his bank account after spiking his drink at a Spanish bar (19 March 2016)

Video emerges of half naked woman brawling with another outside late night kebab shop (12 January 2016) UK

Monica Lynn travelled the world for free by getting her dates to pay for it (2 January 2016)

The art of ‘rinsing’ landed these sisters $160,000 worth of gifts (27 November 2015)

Woman who trashed Perth pub toilet in drunk viral video says the exposure has devastated her life (26 November 2015)

It’s time for men to stop putting women down (25 September 2015) Because women never treat men like this

Arielle Engert allegedly offered oral sex to three cops to get all charges dropped (3 September 2015) USA

Woman soaks passengers on Melbourne train after they ask her to turn her music down (31 August 2015) Australia

Disrespecting respectability, dishonoring the honorable, by Dalrock (9 July 2015)

My husband forgot Mother’s Day flowers, so I had sex with someone else (2 May 2015)

Kendall Schler is the world’s dodgiest athlete (20 April 2015)

‘Help! I just accidentally slept with 25 men and I don’t know who the father is…’ (14 April 2015)

University student caught broadcasting live solo sex shows from the campus library (18 November 2014) And if it was a male student he would have been booted not “counselled”

Hello Sunday Morning: Young Australian women are most dependent on alcohol (12 November 2014)

Ladies, It’s Time To Take Responsibility For Your Failed Relationships (11 November 2014)

Vine celebrity Jessica Vanessa quit her job as a kindergarten teacher, now makes six figures from twerking (17 October 2014)

Dwarf stripper gets bride-to-be pregnant on her hens night (11 October 2014)

A question of respect, by Hannah Wallen (14 September 2014)

Women admit to regular lies (29 August 2001)

Russell Brand says no to Katy Perry’s $44 million fortune

The Scarlet Manifesto: The Rise of the Adulterous Woman (13 October 2012)

Sex, lies and ‘rinsing’ guys – Youtube video – Just don’t call them prostitutes

After ditching her family, Occupy mom snags $85k in divorce (28 October 2012)

Women paying for cab fares with blow-jobs (5 March 2014)

Sex-for-drinks scandal erupts in Mallorca (4 July 2014)

Your husband doesn’t have to earn your respect (22 February 2014)

Entitlement

“What happened to the modern man? I think he got left behind and died of starvation because I don’t see any around these days. I went on a date the other night, shocking right? But when the dinner came to an end and we were laughing away into the sunrise and the check came out- he slid it towards me. If you need to re-read that last sentence then please do so now.

Ahh yes, he slid the check to me and asked to split. The worst word in the English dictionary. Right next to debt and vegetarian. I mean, nobody wants to split their pants, their hair line, alcohol, or especially, a check. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not some mega bitch, but guys will always make more money than girls.” (Source)

‘Mercedes Mum’ Margarite Tomovska pleading for money online to fund lavish lifestyle (31 May 2019)

Has Tinder really made the modern women this spoiled & entitled? (3 November 2016) See related Reddit discussion thread here.

Entitled People Are More Likely to Be Disappointed by Life (15 September 2016)

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Why feminists hate debating anti-feminists (26 August 2016) Feminists feel entitled to not have their opinions challenged because only they can know their experience as a woman. Although they see no such contraint to understanding/explaining/judging men’s experiences.

Why are feminists absolutely obsessed with entitlement? (11 April 2016)

The fickle face of feminism: Women are fine with sexism… as long as it benefits them, says new study (5 February 2016)

Stripper: Rich Wall Street executives deserved to be drugged and robbed (30 December 2015) USA

David Futrelle defends female entitlement (23 November 2015) Reddit discussion thread and linked article

“The Alpha Widow” (6 November 2015) Reddit discussion thread

Feminists Are Wrong, Women Are More Privileged and Entitled to Space (5 November 2015)

The most ungrateful woman in the world (24 April 2013) Video

Gender identity triangle (3 June 2015) Youtube video

Entitlement, “Nice Guys”, and Feminism (3 June 2015)

The Reality of #GiveYourMoneyToWomen (31 May 2015)

Chivalry but equality: The feminist double-standard, by Prentice Reid (21 April 2015)

When billionaires divorce: wife ‘needs $8600 a month for groceries’  (25 February 2015)

How the feminine imperative “just happens” by Dalrock (26 December 2012)

‘The Missing Fear’ by Dalrock (9 December 2011)

Appreciation by Rollo Tomassi (14 November 2011)

White House meets with activists calling for gender equity in My Brother’s Keeper (15 July 2014) The current US administration shamelessly panders to the feminist hierarchy. They finally introduce one (1!) program aimed at helping males, and even then they had to exclude white males because of the anticipated backlash. Were feminists willing to make this one small concession? Oh no. Let’s not worry about the scores of pre-existing programs from which males are excluded. It’s pathetic, it really is. When are people going to wake up to what is going on?

Psychologists find that entitlement predicts sexism, in both men and women (7 June 2014)

The culture of narcissism and the female entitlement mentality (25 June 2024)

A Middle-aged Princess grows up

http://www.kidstrangelove.com/2014/04/16/the-1-rule-of-malefemale-interaction/

The top 10 reasons men should avoid princesses (27 March 2012)

A tongue-in-cheek Youtube video about modern-day princesses

What A Shame!Gold Diggers In Training Mothers Teaching Their Little Girls To Marry For Money (21 February 2010) YouTube video

Helena Andrews explains why men should always pay for dinner by Janet Bloomfield (9 September 2013)

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Some related posts within this blog:

Female privilege check-list
If feminists have a genuine case then what’s with all the distortion, lies and exaggeration?
Persistent pro-feminist and anti-male bias in the mainstream media
Karen Straughan and others on feminist shaming tactics
Men in the media. Haw Haw Haw! The jokes on us