Deep down in places feminists don’t talk about at parties (‘pussy cartel’)

Let’s set aside the dictionary definition of feminism. And all the nice cuddly things feminists are quoted as saying in the mainstream media. There are other significant considerations or issues of concern to real-world feminists. But even though they may feel deeply about them, they rarely admit to it. This post is about one such issue. It’s referred to under different names including women’s sexual currency, erotic capital, or the ‘pussy cartel’.

Have you ever wondered why feminists have such a visceral reaction to the topic of western men with foreign wives, prostitution (involving men paying women for sex), men viewing pornography, men using sex aids for solo pleasure, and MGTOW?

That reaction is summed up succinctly in this post in a discussion thread about men with foreign wives:

“Anything that gives men more options seems to piss them off.  Also why they despise prostitution. They really seem to think that women derive value from sex, and treat any women who aren’t trading it for things as they see fit, the way a union views scabs.” (Source)

Yes, sure, that’s just one person commenting about a one particular topic. But I have seen the same suggestion put forward, often simply as an aside, by others in many separate discussions about the various topics listed above.

Granted this does not apply to all women who identify as feminists, but please let’s not divert into the maze that is NAFALT. Likewise I won’t be side-tracked into discussions as to the fairness or appropriateness of women choosing to sleep with alpha males rather than ‘nice guys’, or remaining celibate, or whatever. Women can choose to do pretty much whatever they want with their own bodies. And, aside from women in sexual servitude in third-world countries, women exercise this choice every day of their lives. Good for them.

What I do object to though, is the denial and hypocrisy surrounding the reality of modern-day sexual mores, and of feminists claiming the moral high ground when often so very poorly qualified to do so. And to those who acknowledge reality but attempt to lay responsibility at the feet of the ‘patriarchy’, I say nonsense! Utter nonsense!

In the film ‘A Few Good Men‘, a ‘Code Red’ was said to be an unofficial military order to rough up an uncooperative soldier, with the aim of enforcing and strengthening team unity. Who remembers Jack Nicholson (as Col. Jessep) bellowing the line: “You don’t want the truth because deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall.”.

Is it true in fact that feminists recognise that a woman’s strongest (and increasingly now their only significant) bargaining chip is their power to grant or withhold sexual relief?

Is it not also that feminists see people who fall into the categories mentioned above (e.g. men with Asian wives, etc) as devaluing the sexual currency of  women, and loathe them for it? Often even seeking retribution against them?

Does the feminist version of a ‘Code Red’ consist of a package of shaming tactics? For example, slut-shaming for prostitutes and party girls. Shaming of men with Asian wives with comments like “you couldn’t get a woman in your own country” and “you’re too weak to handle a union of equals“.

This theme is explored further in the following papers:

Pornographic Progress, Sexbots and the Salvation of Man (7 April 2016)

Author Tells Women to Use Their “P*ssy Power” to Get the Men They Want (6 April 2015)

Study reveals price plays exclusive part in women’s approval of sexualy explicit advertisements (9 December 2013)

Seems like its women who mostly slut-shame (27 September 2014)

You can’t get laid in the United States (26 September 2011)

http://theumlaut.com/2013/07/02/the-economics-of-slut-shaming/

http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/sex-cartel/

http://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/20ptr7/stormblade260_explains_why_people_think_women/

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/yasmin-alibhai-brown/yasmin-alibhaibrown-women-without-any-rights-know-all-about-erotic-capital-2341700.html

http://www.the-niceguy.com/articles/SupplyDemand.html

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/07/08/sexual-economics/

Gender hypocrisy in porn debate (25 September 2013) This article was also reproduced in the AVfM web site with readers comments (some quite funny)

Intimate partner sexual abuse (3 August 2014)

Feminism’s homophobic roots – demanding compulsory heterosexuality because homosexuality oppresses women (A discussion thread on reddit/mensrights, July 2014) One reads little about the relationship between feminism and gay males, although there are quite a few gay male MRA.

Women should masturbate but men who do are lonely creeps

They’re afraid of men masturbating (20 September 2010)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nica-noelle/are-women-sexually-oppressing-men_b_5582485.html

Reddit discussion thread on slut-shaming

A Cold War fought by women, The New York Times (18 November 2013)

Women call other women sluts to guard their social standing: Study (29 May 2014)

Elsewhere in this blog you might be interested in reading:

Western men with Asian women: Gender relations through a different frame of reference

On Australian men seeking foreign partners

On sex, sexuality and sluts

Girls showing their bits = empowerment? patriarchal exploitation? self-indulgence? other?

On prostitution

Will fembots be a game changer?

On Australian men seeking foreign partners

Some time ago I bookmarked an article entitled ‘Why overseas women love Aussie men‘. I was intrigued how the writer (a guy, by the way), managed to package a subject that could easily rankle female readers into something quite palatable. The potentially prickly subject he tackled was the phenomenon of men seeking partners from outside Australia.

In fact the author not only made the topic appear benign, but even presented it in a way that might conceivably massage the egos of readers. Part of his strategy was to present the issue as being one of foreign women preferring Australian men, rather than the other way around. Although he did sneak in that cheeky little quip at the end “If only they were more appreciated at home“. “They” being Australian men.

Although the author focused on American women, in fact women from the USA barely make it into the top ten list with regards to those granted partner visas. As you can see from this source, women from various Asian countries (particularly China. the Philippines and Thailand) are far more popular choices. This data is five years old, but numbers have remained steady since then. That doesn’t mean that demand for foreign brides is static however, with further growth in numbers prevented by annual quotas on spouse visas issued by the Australian Government.

I imagine that the reason for the focus on North American women (in the article) was simply to run with the Hollywood/male movie star angle. Another reason though might have been the fact that many western women have a certain ‘thing’ about being second-bested by Asian women. This is usually kept well under wraps, denied even, only to emerge guns blazing under the right set of circumstances (as mentioned in this other blog post).

The writer coyly suggested that the observed attraction to foreign partners was simply due to the ‘grass being greener on the other side of the fence’. It’s an approach that won’t hurt any feelings, as there is no need to acknowledge or reflect upon possible shortcomings on the part of Australian women.

Ah, but can you imagine the furore if the author had taken an alternative approach and asked the question “why are so many Australian men rejecting Australian women as life partners?“. Not that pro-feminist news.com.au would have accepted such an article for publication. Oh the bitter recriminations and backlash about men only wanting ‘submissive slaves’. The shaming remarks like “men who are threatened by independent women!” and “men who couldn’t get a women in their own country!” The horror, the horror. To those reading this and nodding their head to such sentiments … well I can only assume that you have little knowledge of Asian culture or personal experience with mixed-race couples.

I wonder to what extent this trend of Australian men marrying women from non-western backgrounds is due to changes in the attitude and behaviour of Australian women brought about via the pervasive and overdone influence of feminism? Heck, this could be a good topic for a thesis – that is if you could find a university brave enough to sponsor it.

Many thoughtful men in western countries now believe that their choice is limited to a MGTOW lifestyle, celibacy, or life as a purse-pooch/walking ATM (i.e. resigning themselves to the increasingly anti-male strictures of the society in which they live). For these folks an epiphany sometimes occurs upon exposure to life and relationships within a culture where feminist ideology, as we now know it in the west, has yet to take root. I think this is fairly evident in some of the references linked to this post about cross-cultural marriages. That blog post also addresses the negative bias and stereotyping directed at men seeking foreign partners as reflected in articles such as this. As one reader aptly noted:

“This is Scott Morrison and the Coalition playing dog-whistle politics again. Let’s not focus upon the thousands upon thousands of successful cross-cultural marriages that enrich Australian society – that would be a good news story! – let’s focus on a trivially small number of cases (exactly 2 were cited by Morrison) where an ambitious sugar-daddy seeks his naive, young asian bride. This is just pandering to small-minded racists who operate on simplistic stereotypes. This only increases the stigma against intercultural couples.

I’m angry about this because I’ve experienced this first hand. As an Anglo-Australian who has married an Asian seven years younger than me, I’m aware of the stereotypes that are directed our way. Nevermind that we are happily married, never had an argument and share everything together. This is something my brother, who has a partner 11 years his junior doesn’t have to go through because she’s Anglo-Australian too (Nor did my parents who were also separated by 10 years age gap.) This is simply a double standard based on race that society, and especially Scott Morrison needs to build a bridge and get over.

I have many friends who are in happy, loving, cross-cultural relationships. Unlike other couples we have to go through the rigours of laying our personal lives bare to the Immigration Department – who I can assure you are very thorough. Then after that we have to go through this nonsense. Scott Morrison should stop playing politics with people’s relationships and Governments should butt out of marriage. It’s nothing to do with them.”

What a pity most western feminist-influenced women don’t do introspection. Introspection seems to have gone the way of empathy.

And as for listening to what men say … pfff! As high-profile feminist turned MRA, Warren Farrell, famously stated “In our society, the sound of men complaining is like nails on a chalkboard“.

See also:

For some social context surrounding the topic of this post perhaps take a look at http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/12/09/The-Sexodus-Part-2-Dishonest-Feminist-Panics-Leave-Male-Sexuality-In-Crisis

Sorry, Aussie blokes. American men are better suitors (10 August 2016) Entitled Australian woman thinks Australian men need to ‘lift their game’ to be more worthy. Australian men say “bon voyage, princess”

Aussie woman goes on 130 first dates but zero second dates (11 May 2015)

Why I am for the Importation of Hot Foreign Women (17 February 2015)

Are Australian women really all that bad? (15 July 2011) with 451 readers comments

Girls showing their bits = empowerment? patriarchal exploitation? self-indulgence? other?

Let’s look at the issue of female nudity. I imagine that most readers would have observed the naked female form, both in real real life and by way of advertising material and pornography. Indeed, the nude or partially nude images of many thousands of women and girls can be encountered in various forms of media. Most of these images were provided with consent, and often on the basis of financial compensation.

Readers would also likely be familiar with activist groups such as FEMENPETA and Pussy Riot, who routinely employ nude or partially nude females ostensibly to advance their political agendas. We might then add various events/memes such as #FreeTheNipple and #Slutwalk.

The Wikipedia entry for ‘Feminist views of Pornography‘ states that “pornography has been one of the most divisive issues in feminism”, and provides a general introduction to the issue.

As to whether the sale and/or public display of female nudity is empowering or oppressive, the answer seems to be “it depends”. Obviously it depends on who you ask. It also depends on the gender of the person asking the question, being viewed or doing the viewing. It depends on what is going through the viewers mind. And so on. The universal exception is material at the far end of the spectrum, particularly images of minors or those obtained surreptitiously and/or without consent.

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Some feminists are on record as stating that women who make a living from selling nude photos of themselves and/or performing in pornographic films and/or working as prostitutes, are empowered. Many in this group identify themselves as ‘sex-positive feminists‘.

Many other feminists, however, argue that such behaviour is harmful to women, and that it promotes and/or facilitates violence against women. As a consequence many demand stricter censorship of pornography, whilst other feminists are both anti-pornography and anti-censorship.

(And yet even anti-pornography feminists manage to accommodate their proclivities via strategies such as creating a distinction between ‘pornography’ and female-friendly ‘erotica’.)

Many of these feminists have suggested that women involved in the sex industry do so as a result of earlier emotional damage inflicted by way, for example, of child abuse combined with economic and educational disadvantage.

The only area where the disparate tribes of feminism come close to speaking with one voice is when it comes to condemning men who view pornography or purchase sexual services from women. Such men are portrayed as misogynists partaking in a form of patriarchal oppression, or even violence against women.

As a consequence feminists in various jurisdictions have lobbied for changes to laws that would see the selling of sexual services by women de-criminalised, whilst making the purchasing of sexual services by men a crime. But again, even with this issue there are some differences in feminist opinion.

Feminists tend to remain silent on this issue of women purchasing sexual services. Quelle surprise.

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See also:

Louvre refused entry to Aussie insta star Newsha Syeah because of revealing dress (10 November 2018)

Stick-on swimwear is summer’s hottest new trend as models storm Miami catwalk in Duct-tape bikinis (16 July 2018)

Saleswoman is paraded around her office NAKED while her colleagues cheer in sickening ‘morale-boosting stunt’ organised by her boss (2 November 2017)

“The situation she is in is undoubtedly traumatising. This is just like with rape”. Except there is nothing to indicate she was coerced into the performance, and of course there is no way she actually got off on it is there? Because … feminism + prudishness

Bettina Arndt on the Politics of Cleavage (19 September 2017) Video

Australian Academics Attack Campaign for More Female Exercise Because of “The Male Gaze” (13 August 2017) A Mark Latham video. Australian feminist academics take issue with women’s fitness awareness campaign. Don’t exercise because men might look at you.

Women’s own level of physical attractiveness regulates the fashion recommendations they would give to other women (29 July 2017)

No, the internet is not actually stealing kids’ innocence (25 July 2017) Religiously avoids mention of any factors dear to the feminist hive-mind. Mentions causality/correlation issue – lol – never mentioned by feminist researchers looking at, for eg. gender quotas in business, wage gap, etc.

“In terms of identifying causes, we should ask why the finger of blame is always pointed at the media rather than other likely causes (including violence against women, or problems linked to growing inequality or precarity)”

Gina Liano in awkward interview with The Project hosts after slamming study on cleavage (11 July 2017)

Google Researcher: Porn Featuring Violence Against Women Is More Popular Among Women Than Men (5 July 2017)

“The world doesn’t revolve around men’s feelings” (12 June 2017) Reddit discussion thread

Porn ISN’T to blame for a man’s inability to perform in the bedroom – it’s a lack of sexual satisfaction (9 June 2017)

Explainer: The rise of naked tourism (29 May 2017)

Bizarre new ‘fashion’ trend where women are wearing nothing but duct tape (16 May 2017)

This woman wants you to look at her breasts (17 April 2017)

“New Yorker Molly Borman said her stick-on pasties accentuate the appearance of nipples while also empowering women”

Hotelier says skimpy ban would hit hard (22 March 2017) Australia

Feminists are confusing nudity with liberation (11 March 2017)

Emma Watson on Vanity Fair cover: ‘Feminism is about giving women choice’ (6 March 2017)

Opinion: Posting your nipples online doesn’t make you more of a feminist (23 January 2017) Australia

Lady Part Costumes Ruled the Women’s March (23 January 2017) USA

Hold pornography to account – not education programs – for children’s harmful sexual behaviour (7 December 2016) Unconvincing effort to equate porn viewing with aggressive sexual behaviour by children/youth.

3 Studies Refute Idea that Exposure to Sexy Centerfolds Harms Men’s Relationships (30 November 2016)

Why women need to stop stripping off to make a point” (27 November 2016)

Stop calling this ’empowerment’. It’s not (2 November 2016) Australia

‘Likes and follows’ the currency of the female-dominated selfie world, study finds (7 October 2016)

Gonzo: we need to talk about young men and porn (23 September 2016) Maddening gender bias in this article in pro-feminist discussion forum The Conversation. They admit the relationship between viewing pornography and violence against women is hotly disputed and call for a nuanced approach, which suggests some degree of objectivity on the issue. But all the while the author happily ignores the issue of girls viewing pornography, and the possible effects of that on both males and females.

Emily Ratajkowski flashes her breasts … again (14 September 2016)

Topless protesters bare breasts in push for women’s rights (29 August 2016)

Buzzfeed Reporter Goes To Nude Beach, Gets Offended That Men Look At Her (1 August 2016)

Times Square Tourists Left Bloodied Over $1 Tip to Topless Performer (20 July 2016) USA

All the Times Emily Ratajkowski Fought the Patriarchy (12 July 2016) with related Reddit discussion thread here.

Why I organized a ‘no bra day’ at my high school (17 June 2016) USA, with related Reddit discussion thread here

When it comes to what to wear on a plane, anything goes, but undies masquerading as pants? Nup. (1 June 2016)

Female Danish Athletes Diminish Their Own Championship Victory By Taking Nude Photos (26 May 2016)

Feminists Against Heterosexuality (@CarolineHeldman Edition) (14 May 2016)

10 revealing facts about the porn habits of women (13 May 2016)

Calvin Klein blasted online over ‘trashy and repulsive’ upskirt Instagram advert (11 May 2016) The TV panelist on ‘Sunrise’ described this pic as “schoolboy-ish”, although the people who devised and agreed upon the campaign were more likely 30-something women

Pornographic Progress, Sexbots and the Salvation of Man (7 April 2016)

Vietnam’s bikini airlines set to create country’s first female billionaire (2 April 2016)

What economic lessons about medical costs can we learn from the market for cosmetic procedures? (12 March 2016) USA

“There is a huge gender imbalance for cosmetic procedures – women accounted for 90.5% of the 11.5 million cosmetic procedures last year”

Turns out, watching porn is good for gender equality (4 March 2016)

Near-nude model gatecrashes BRITs telecast (25 February 2016) UK

Men Classify Women. Women Objectify Themselves (3 February 2016)

These two women hate (& dox) men who send them explicit photos, whilst they themselves flood social media with salacious selfies (31 January 2016)

Controversial crowd-funding site My Free Implants trials other types of surgery online (18 January 2016)

Brisbane ‘free the nipple’ picnic sparks wider debate about equality (16 January 2016) Australia

Going bareback! Imogen Anthony rides a horse completely naked with another nude female model in an effort to spread the message of equality (7 January 2016)

Ayesha Curry Has Hoes All Over the World Crying Their Eyes Out (6 December 2015) USA

SocJus College claims male gratification is wickedness & sin (18 September 2015)

Feminists ‘are more likely to watch porn’ (15 September 2015)

Who is objectifying Laci Green? (4 February 2014) Video about the concept of objectification

Lads’ mags, sexual violence and the need for feminist intervention (4 June 2015) Australia

This is why women are taking selfies of bottles of Coke held between their breasts (2 June 2015)

Netflix documentary ‘Hot Girls Wanted’ exposes behind the scenes look at amateur porn industry (2 June 2015)

Lesbian go-go dancing: subverting the gaze one sexy step at a time (22 April 2015) Dancing before men=objectifying but dancing before (gay) women=empowering

#FreeTheNipple: liberation or titillation? (7 April 2015)

Why are feminists ignoring the violent gang rape of porn star Cytherea (23 February 2015)

Former student charged for pornographic video filmed in library at Oregon State University (30 January 2015)

It’s time to stop blaming women for having breasts (16 January 2015)

Opinion: Why Caitlin Stasey’s new website misses the mark (14 January 2015)

FEMEN activist disrupts Vatican Christmas celebration (25 December 2014)

Shock study: Marriage rate declines with porn use, threatening economy, society (16 December 2014)

Porn and domestic violence: NSW Police says respect for women from young men crucial (7 December 2014)

How did 50 years of feminism end in THIS? Asks Sarah Vine (4 December 2014)

Skimpies tell of working behind bars in outback Australia in new documentary (17 November 2014)

Topless feminists target ‘political’ Pope (14 November 2014)

Porn: Why women want what men have (6 November 2014)

Women prefer gay porn to ‘female friendly’ straight porn says survey (1 October 2014)

Letter to ‘Object’ regarding rape allegations (1 October 2014)

Mythbusters TV show looked at belief that people give waitresses with bigger breasts bigger tips (4 September 2014). Well they do, but the differential is greatest for women customers (Video)

The great naked celebrity naked photo leak (1 September 2014) And of course men are 100% to blame

Sofia the sexist and Beyonce the feminist? (26 August 2014) and Feminism breaks the bounds with Beyonce (30 August 2014)

‘Dating Naked’ contestant sues series for showing her dating whilst naked (22 August 2014)

Free the nipple (December 2013) Video

Gender hypocrisy in porn debate (25 September 2013) This article has interesting things to say about the real source of concern regarding men’s access to pornography, which differs from their publicly stated concerns. The same article was reproduced in the AVfM web site with readers comments (some quite funny)

Women just as easily hooked on online porn (6 August 2014)

Is male nudity in the mainstream media becoming more acceptable than female nudity due to feminist backlash? (Example of womens rowing team making/selling nude calendar)

http://www.independent.ie/style/beauty/body/spotlight-on-free-the-nipple-30434543.html

UK Government to get serious about online ‘revenge porn’ (but no mention of protection for men)

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/annalynne-mccord-wants-to-end-stigmas-linked-to-women-who-drink-dress-sexy-and-are-raped/story-fn907478-1226961829514

Teen girl Lindsey Stocker takes on Beaconsfield High School over ‘short shorts’ (1 June 2014)

Why female nudity isn’t obscene, but is threatening to a sexist status quo‘ (22 April 2014)

From the mouths of (hot) babes by B.R Merrick (20 April 2014)

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/government-tyranny/european-union-to-ban-pornography-then-men/

http://www.avoiceformen.com/sexual-politics/dworkin-got-it-wrong-naomi-wolf-got-it-wronger/

http://www.avoiceformen.com/sexual-politics/what-if-the-u-s-government-spent-nearly-1000000-bucks-to-promote-and-study-porn/

Honey Badger Radio show on porn (Youtube)

http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/teenage-sexuality/porn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E74-8A4f0k&index=4&list=PLA70081D259987DCD (Advance to the 8:30m mark)

http://judgybitch.com/2013/09/27/breakup-with-your-girlfriend-and-post-nude-selfies-to-a-revenge-porn-site-you-should-be-in-jail-go-on-two-dates-with-a-guy-get-dumped-then-send-sceencaps-of-sexts-to-his-boss-and-youre/

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/environmental-activist-ana-paula-maciel-strips-naked-for-playboy/story-fnixwvgh-1226881429988

Naked protest: Memories of bodies and resistance at the World Social Forum, Journal of International Women’s Studies, The Female as Weapon, and let’s not forget the Nude Protest for International Womens Day. And what about poor old Mr Putin?

Angry Father Tells Off Lady On A Train To Sit Down! (24 February 2012) Canada. YouTube video

I use my sex appeal to get ahead at work… and so does ANY woman with any sense (25 August 2011)

Children and youths – Selfies and sexting

‘Art of Safe Sexting’ video slammed by Victorian Education Minister (30 June 2018)

Generation sext: Queensland Girls forced to share nude selfies (10 October 2016) So boys choose to make poor decisions, but girls are “forced” to do so. Oh please! This is gender equality?

Children as young as 10 years old are sending sexually-explicit images to friends (26 September 2016)

Case of N.S. teens accused of sharing intimate images important: prosecutor (17 August 2016)

Children accessing porn: Schools battle to deal with consequences (22 July 2016) Australia. Typical of media coverage of this issue, this article alternates between use the terms “children” and “boys” to suit the narrative. It ignores the involvement of girls except as victims of boys, and the affect that their exposure/involvement has on their attitudes/relationships with others.

Eight high schools boys suspended for receiving pictures of female classmates nude, girls “verbally reprimanded but not suspended” (27 April 2015) Reddit mensrights discussion thread an linked article

Defence in hockey sex video case says 15-year-old girl should be prosecuted (12 February 2015)

More girls than boys are involved in both creating/distributing and receiving ‘sexts’

http://judgybitch.com/2013/09/12/the-slutty-selfies-mom-is-right-sexually-aggressive-teenage-girls-posting-provocative-pictures-on-boys-social-media-feeds-need-to-be-shut-down-before-those-girls-make-a-mistake-and-blame-it/

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rachelzarrell/police-have-a-warrant-to-see-teenagers-erection-in-sexting-c

Topless swimming and sunbathing & naturism

One relatively recent phenomenon that I find curious is the declining popularity of going topless at the beach. This article about young women in France suggests that the trend is the result of a return to conservative and family values. The situation in Canada (BC) is discussed hereThis article and this article suggest that women are now shunning topless bathing as a result of the availability of digital cameras, but this article says its because women are uncomfortable with men ogling them.  I disagree with these explanations.

Alternatively, this article and this article blame the lessening popularity of topless bathing on womens insecurity regarding their bodies. Some cynics have even suggested that women are avoiding going topless as by doing so they ‘devalue the currency‘ (reduce their ability to use sexual leverage against men).

Feminists, in theory at least,  should support toplessness with regards to their stated aim of gender equality. With the exception of Sweden they have, however, been generally subdued on the issue.

See also:

http://youngnaturistsamerica.com/almost-naked-women-nudism-and-antisocial-nudists/

http://travasuns.org/Travasuns/Observations/Entries/2010/9/27_Naturism_is_especially_consistent_with_feminism_and_the_struggle_for_womens_freedom..html

Conclusion

Sorry, but after reading the often contradictory messages in the above papers … well to the average guy like me the issue seems like a moveable feast of hypocrisy and nonsense. And when it comes to pro-feminist groups using nudity to get publicity advance their philosophical position, I’d go so far as to say it’s even a little infantile. As and when my BS meter stops buzzing so loudly I’ll revisit this post and endeavour to add more thoughtful comment and analysis.

Postscript: Hey, check out this paradigm-shifting new women’s beauty product. Wow!

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topless

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On sex, sexuality and sluts

This post, at least for the time being, consists of a collection of papers related to sex and sexuality.

On sex and sexuality

The Sex Recession by Kate Julian

Women cheat because they LOVE their husbands… and it’s more about orgasms than intimacy (says woman who spent a year interviewing female cheats) (14 June 2018)

When Does a Watershed Become a Sex Panic? (14 November 2017)

An evolutionary perspective on orgasm (2017) with an extract here. Included within this post for curiosity value

The consequence of this new sexual counter-revolution? No sex at all (4 November 2017)

Study explains why university women embrace binge-drinking and hook-ups (19 September 2017)

Shaming men doesn’t build healthy sexuality (12 July 2017)

Bettina Arndt on sex-starved husbands (July 2017) Video

An angry reply about what men need from a ”sexually uninhibited woman” to the feminists who say women have to cheat men back (26 June 2017) Reddit discussion thread

Porn ISN’T to blame for a man’s inability to perform in the bedroom – it’s a lack of sexual satisfaction (9 June 2017)

There are countless studies of endometriosis, but when one female Masters student (not even a PhD) starts researching a paper on an untouched field – how men’s sex life is handled during a relationship with a sufferer, feminists lose their #%&* minds (1 June 2017) Empathy towards men? No way. Reddit discussion thread here. But here is a common-sense response, published in The Conversation of all places.

Lauren Southern: What every girl needs to hear (6 May 2017) Article with linked video

Janelle Monáe Thinks Women Should Consider a Sex Strike (11 April 2017)

New First World Feminism Problem: Cosmo Worries That Men Are Deriving Too Much Pleasure from Giving an Orgasm to a Woman (24 March 2017)

What do college students achieve by participating in the Hook-up culture? (23 March 2017) A snap-shot of what’s happening in North American campuses, that helps explain the environment conducive to false rape allegations and confusion about consent, for example.

‘There isn’t really anything magical about it’: Why more millennials are avoiding sex (2 August 2016) Related Reddit discussion thread here

Is Game of Thrones ‘desensitising’ us to fictional incest pornography, and driving our interest in faux-cest? (11 June 2016) “Women like the story” … sure, just like men buy Penthouse to read the articles.

Reply to /u/transamination/ about what men don’t understand about women, by Sage Gerard (13 April 2016) Sage has written some great stuff – check out his work sometime.

Shaming Men Doesn’t Build Healthy Sexuality (9 April 2016)

How Men Wanting to ‘Focus On Her Pleasure’ During Sex Can Still Be Sexist (16 December 2015) You won’t believe the views of this femi-nit (and then see what her readers think)

“There was a woman I knew intimately a few times. She is today an assistant professor of literature in a university and teaches with an explicitly feminist bent, able to effortlessly write reams upon reams of stuff in that vein.

In bed, she really did prefer it when the man took the lead and she was thankful that I’d broken the ice and made the first moves and so on. Afterwards, she said some words about me acting “entitled” to sex, an accusation which I found stunning at the time seeing as how we’d never had done it if I hadn’t stuck my neck out.

So that’s how it is with feminists. They expect– nay, DEMAND– that men make the first move and, when they do, sneer at them for their effrontery and being too forward, all of which is “entitlement” in their world. Their own normative situation of feeling they ought to get sexual attention– only when wanted– without breaking a sweat to get it and having their minds read in the process is, of course, a natural birthright and not “entitlement” in any way, shape or form.” (Source)

To rape is to want sex, not power (2 January 2016)

Turning down sex as a man (14 December 2015) reddit mensights discussion thread

Spike Lee: female students should go on sex strike to combat campus rape (27 November 2015) Reddit discussion thread and linked article

Slow-selling, expensive: female Viagra has been an epic fail (19 November 2015)

The Rise of the Half Night Stand (29 October 2015)

Feminists ‘are more likely to watch porn’ (15 September 2015)

The growing male sex drought (31 August 2015)

As one man gets an assault conviction after his lover complained about rough sex, JAN MOIR asks… What next? Jail for men who are a let down in bed! (26 June 2015)

Men Have A “Younger Women Problem” Damn You Biology (4 June 2015)

Why do straight women do ‘girl on girl action’ that they regret the next morning? (4 June 2015) Surprise, surprise … men blamed

The fascinating connection between how much married people make and how likely they are to cheat (4 June 2015)

A third of the people on hookup app Tinder are already married – with WOMEN being most likely to cheat (7 May 2015)

If a woman isn’t interested in sex, the problem quite possibly is with her (20 February 2015)

On the “empowering” benefits of pole-dancing (20 February 2015)

Is my sexuality OK with you? by Sage Gerard (18 February 2015)

Feminist explains why porn ban is necessary: “A recent German study found a clear negative correlation between consumption of Internet pornography and marriage rates among young men!!!” Article and related reddit mensrights discussion thread (2 February 2015)

Shock study: Marriage rate declines with porn use, threatening economy, society (16 December 2014)

The end of feminism by the Hoover Institution (3 December 2014)

Study shows women fantasize about being sexually dominated more than men fantasize about dominating someone sexually (3 November 2014) Reddit discussion thread and linked table

Study says sex with more than 20 women protects men from prostate cancer (29 October 2014)

Let’s cut this “all girls can get sex anytime” bull$&@t (12 October 2014)

Women Should Have Sex When They Don’t Want To. No, That Wasn’t a Typo (19 September 2014)

If he’s pressuring you for sex then he probably doesn’t love you” (Reddit discussion thread, 2011)

Women who don’t sleep around are more likely to have happy marriages (25 August 2014)

What women think about sex vs. the reality (17 August 2014)

Fed up to the point of killing his sex drive (22 July 2014)

Is our sexual double-standard going away? (3 March 2014)

Intimate partner sexual abuse (3 August 2014)

When women wanted sex much more than men (19 March 2013)

Not tonight, honey, I have a penis (March 2013)

Sex in Australia (2014) Detailed survey results of sexual activity

Feminism’s homophobic roots – demanding compulsory heterosexuality because homosexuality oppresses women (A discussion thread on reddit/mensrights, July 2014) One reads little about the relationship between feminism and gay males, although there are quite a few gay male MRA.

Science confirms it’s pretty much impossible for women to avoid being judged on their sexuality (17 July 2014)

Testosterone and F.T.M sex drive and see this readers comment on the subject that followed this article:

“I remember listening to the This American Life episode on testosterone. In Act 2, when a female-to-male transgender person is interviewed, he lays out all the graphic and objectifying thoughts he now has as a man. At no point is he challenged by the interviewer Alex Blumberg in his assumption that this must be how men see the world despite the fact that he, by his own admission, is taking HUGE amounts of testosterone as part of his transition–approximately 2-3 times the amount found in a typical adult male. A common element of misandry (which incidentally the text editor is underlining in red as not being a real word) is the idea that lewd or dangerous sexual behavior is merely the logical extension of normal male impulses. “I felt like a monster” says the interviewee followed by “It made me understand men. It made me understand adolescent boys a lot.””

How often men think about sex (23 June 2014)

Casual sex is great! (For narcissistic, coercive men!) (24 June 2014) A feminist perspective from ‘Slate’

Women should masturbate but men who do are lonely creeps

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/25hisf/all_feminists_are_rapists_meme_redux_feminists/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

http://www.femininebeauty.info/suppression.pdf (‘Cultural Suppression of Female Sexuality’)

http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/false-rape-culture/male-vilification-culture-formerly-rape-culture/

All PIV sex is rape and When they fuck us – Truly, very unhinged perspectives from the world of radical feminism

‘Seduction versus coercion: Accountability is such a bitch’

http://mankindglobalmedia.blogspot.com.au/2014/04/girls-can-get-it-from-other-girls-even.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

http://www.asexuality.org/en/topic/94086-asexual-ftms-on-testosterone-did-it-affect-your-sex-drive/

http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2014/04/would_you_have_sex_with_an_attractive_stranger_.html

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/22jagp/study_shows_women_find_asking_for_consent_big/

Why so many people care so much about others’ sex lives (22 July 2014)

Is there anything wrong with women riding the ‘cock carousel’? (A reddit/mensrights discussion thread)

Gender hypocrisy in porn debate (25 September 2013) This article was also reproduced in the AVfM web site with readers comments (some quite funny)

The Price of Sex: Women Rule, Men Drool, the Market’s Cruel (4 May 2013)

Sexual desire in female-to-male transsexual persons: exploration of the role of testosterone administration (August 2011)

Is There a Gender Difference in Strength of Sex Drive? Theoretical Views, Conceptual Distinctions, and a Review of Relevant Evidence (1 August 2001)

On sluts and slut-shaming

What are anti-slutshamers fighting for, exactly? (20 October 2016) Reddit discussion thread

I’m A Slut — And 100% Proud Of It (So Stop Shaming Me Already) (28 May 2016) with related Reddit discussion thread here

Why does the “stud” and “slut” double standard exist? (12 April 2016)

Sluts lower the value of all women. Here’s how to compete with them (17 December 2015)

When ‘Slutwalk’ Feminists Attack Lauren Southern (25 June 2015)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nica-noelle/are-women-sexually-oppressing-men_b_5582485.html

A Cold War fought by women, The New York Times (18 November 2013)

Women call other women sluts to guard their social standing: Study (29 May 2014)

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Fembots may prove to be a game changer

‘Fembot’ is a term used to describe a robot with the outward appearance of a female human, the Wikipedia entry for which can be found here.

I saw a peculiar documentary on TV in which one of the people being interviewed was a guy who had a life-size plastic girlfriend. He referred to women as either “organics” or “synthetics”. He preferred synthetics. Well, OK, whatever floats your boat I guess. But this guy’s girlfriend has nothing on what’s coming, as discussed in this article.

One would imagine though, that only a small percentage of men (or women) would be content with a robot as a partner. Fembots are never going to completely replace the need for human companionship. What they will do however, possibly in conjunction with virtual reality technology, is increasingly provide a fuss-free outlet for the human libido.

I wonder how the emergence and growing popularity of fembots might alter the status quo with regards to various aspects of the gender debate? To what extent, for example, will fembots alter or replace conventional dating/marriage, facilitate a MGTOW lifestyle, or undermine the so-called ‘pussy cartel‘?

I suspect that most feminists would consider a world in which fembots were plentiful as a paradise for misogynists. Indeed, the Wiki definition linked above includes reference to the term ‘misogyny’. The entry for the term ‘dildo‘ neglects to mention the term ‘misandry’ … yet another double standard.

And as sure as god made little green apples there is already a feminist push-back involving calls for bans or controls on the development, production and sale of fembots (refer examples herehere, and here). One particular strategy they are pursuing is to create an association between fembots and pedophilia. They are doing so by, for example, creating the impression that a “surge” in the sale of child-like sex robots is underway:

Illegal childlike sex doll imports on the rise in Australia and New Zealand (8 July 2017)
Surge in paedophiles arrested for importing lifelike child sex dolls (31 July 2017)
The one disgusting request sex doll brothel owner always turns down (10 October 2017)

[Allow me to digress for a moment … This is not to say that artificial intelligence (AI) does not pose a significant danger to humankind, for it does. It’s just that, within that context, the relative significance of some possible nexus between humanoids and how men treat women amounts to little more than navel lint-picking. Ditto for manufactured debates as to whether robots should be accorded rights or protections in relation to, for example, sexual functions. Indeed such debates and attendant policy responses, whether they be genuine or simply disguised attempts to control male sexuality, could be exploited by machines with AI to move against humans. Think this is science fiction? Well, think again.]

Ever heard the observation that less attractive women tend to have the best personalities? The idea is that physically unattractive people tend to work harder at developing other appealing attributes. Many women overtly use their sexuality to attract mates and subsequently extract various advantages. Their sexuality is like a strong perfume that covers all manner of odious traits like bad manners, selfishness, and dishonesty.

Now imagine a world where men had an alternative and readily available outlet to satisfy their sexual needs. One that lacked some of the attributes of human company, but had none of the negative features (e.g. false accusations, financial abuse, domestic violence, etc).

To some extent, and I know it seems a bit of a stretch at this stage, all women would find themselves on more of a level playing-field with regards to physical attractiveness. Heterosexual men would be more inclined to place greater value on non-sexual attributes of women, just as in the case of homosexual guys [in their dealings with women] do now. Women who had little to offer other than sex appeal might find well themselves somewhat devalued in the dating marketplace, if not shunned entirely.

Such a situation could in fact be quite liberating and a win/win for many women, given that pressure for sex would be much reduced. Just as women (well, those who valued male company at least) would have a heightened incentive to be the best person they could be, so too men might be freer to engage and express themselves in a non-sexual sense.

More relevant material in these sources:

The men in love with $7,000 sex dolls: Subculture of ‘iDollators’ who marry and develop romances with inanimate partners after swearing off ‘flesh and blood’ women (11 November 2018)

Sex robot brothels are now banned in Houston. But people can still have sex with them (3 October 2018)

Prediction: Sex Robots Are The Most Disruptive Technology We Didn’t See Coming (25 September 2018)

“There are millions of real women who do more damage to objectify women than any robot could ever do”

Sex robots turning Japanese into ‘ENDANGERED species’ as men choose dolls over women (24 July 2018)

Sex robot makers blasted over sick ‘family friendly’ dolls (16 July 2018) Ooh, really working hard at creating reasons to ban them aren’t they, starting with the good old ‘think of the kids’ angle.

At last, a sex robot that ‘wants’ you. How sad that anyone would want it (27 June 2018)

My fake conversation with a sex robot (16 June 2018) The left crowd of the mainstream media try to get their heads around the fembot phenomenon in yet another version of the never-ending “Where have all the good men gone?” story theme.

Robot hysteria and the fear of future sex by Gloria Brame (14 June 2018)

Report: More Than a Quarter of Millennials Would Date a Robot (8 December 2017)

Japanese robot ‘bad boy’ believes his creation Erica has a ‘soul’ (2 December 2017)

We interview Harmony – the sex robot with a Scottish accent (1 December 2017)

Sex robots spark rise of men who will only sleep with dolls (28 November 2017) Note the conversation steered away from WHY men might prefer fembots, with implication that it’s due only to some unspecified male moral and/or mental failing.

Sex robot boom as maker seeks to MASS PRODUCE in UK, US and German factories (25 November 2017)

Demand for sex robots rises as customers ask for ’emotional’ cyborgs that can fulfil their kinky fetishes (20 November 2017)

News: Sex robots dangerous? (19 November 2017) Video

Sophia the robot shows off her newsreading skills (25 October 2017)

First sex-doll brothel opens in Germany, selling ‘plastic prostitutes’ (19 October 2017)

Sex Robots: Part 2 — The “good enough” threshold (16 October 2017)

Sex with a robot? Joy Behar says: “If they can program a robot to find your G-spot and take out the trash, men are history!” (14 October 2017)

‘Times are changing’ World’s first sex robot WEDDING on the cards (13 October 2017)

The Bunny Ranch Is Aiming To Have Sexbots Available By 2019 (10 October 2017)

24% Of American Men Would Have Sex With A Robot (10 October 2017)

How sex robots could help with the nuts and bolts of relationships (3 October 2017)

Sex robots and the breakdown of gender dynamics (1 October 2017) Video

Can you tell if she’s a robot or a human? ‘Life-like android’ at a Tokyo gaming conference baffles social media (28 September 2017)

Invasion of the sex robots (25 September 2017) Video by Paul Elam

Should we ban sex robots while we have the chance? (25 September 2017)

Feminist claims sex dolls can be raped (21 September 2017) Some entertaining readers comments

Feminism’s worst nightmare (18 September 2017) Video

Celestina the fembot dollsplains some concerns about sex robots (5 September 2017) Video

Sex robot TAX: Government could kill off cyborgs with ‘10,000% price hike’ (26 August 2017)

Austrian brothel buys a SECOND sex doll after its first became more popular with customers than real women (22 August 2017)

Woman spends $13,000 to become a real life sex doll (22 August 2017) When you want to compete with sex dolls but developing a pleasant personality is too challenging

Law professor warns: Congress must act on growing sexbot industry (14 August 2017) Reddit discussion thread

“Women’s bodies; women’s choices. Men’s bodies; threatening and must be watched and controlled!”

Would YOU hop into bed with a sexbot? Tracey Cox reveals why women should embrace dolls for BETTER orgasms (2 August 2017)

‘Sex robot’ brothels gaining popularity in Europe (31 July 2017)

Sex robots will change everything (15 July 2017) Video

Increasingly Nervous Women Push for Faux “Sex Robot Rights” Agenda (14 July 2017) Reddit discussion thread and linked article.

Sex robots: innovation driven by male masturbatory fantasy is not a revolution (6 July 2017)

Sex robots trigger debate about gender and sexism: DiManno (6 July 2017)

Call for a ban on child sex robots (5 July 2017)

Will sex robots become the new norm? Report looks at uses of life-like robots (5 July 2017)

Looking for love: Unhappy Japanese men turn to silicone sex dolls (30 June 2017)

Sex Robots Are Coming, and They’re Not as Skeevy as You Think (2 June 2017)

A new barrier to replacing women with technology (5 May 2017)

Virtual reality technology is the future of porn (3 May 2017)

Race to create the best artificially intelligent sex robot (1 May 2017)

Why female sex robots are more dangerous than you think (28 April 2017)

Sex robots epitomize patriarchy and offer men a solution to the threat of female independence (27 April 2017) Ooh, feel the feminist burn. I wonder if Meghan hand-washes her clothes, or prefers to “dominate” a washing machine.

Meet Harmony 2.0, the world’s first ‘talking’ sex doll (5 April 2017)

Europe’s first sex robot brothel FORCED OUT of base as prostitutes complain of competition (16 March 2017) Spain

First European sex doll brothel opens in Barcelona where punters can ‘fulfil fantasies without limit’ (1 March 2017)

Introducing the Gatebox virtual companion (13 February 2017)

Woman reveals what it’s like to make love to a lifelike robot male sex doll (16 January 2017)

Japanese men so scared of sex they’re marrying hologram wives that want them to be their ‘master’  (27 December 2016) Typically, this article mocks men rather than recognising/discussing how women/society also play a role in such developments.

Robot marriages will be recognised by the state within 35 years, a top academic has claimed (21 December 2016)

Sex robots would give us only what we think we want, and not what we truly desire (21 December 2016)

Why female sex robots are more dangerous than you think (20 December 2016) With related Reddit discussion thread here.

Toothpaste? Check. Soap? Check. Vibrator? Check (14 December 2016) Another article demonstrating the prevailing mindset of celebrating/idealising female sexuality versus demonising male sexuality.

Campaign Against Sex Robots warns of danger to women and children (25 November 2016) Think of the children!

Automation will embed gender inequality at work – unless we fix it now (9 November 2016) Feminists suspicious of all robots, not just fembots!

From adult toys to lovers: Would you have sex with a robot? (9 October 2016)

‘Out of this world’ sex: Erotic robots ‘real as humans’ to have a pulse (16 September 2016)

We will happily be having sex with robots soon, according to scientists (8 September 2016)

Sex robots could soon be in brothels sooner than we think (24 August 2016)

Sex doll makers “putting finishing touches” to artificial intelligence app so they can love you back (18 August 2016)

Sex and robots: how mechanical dolls may press all the right buttons for lonesome guys (30 July 2016) Hong Kong

Geeks fall in love with sexy humanoid dubbed ‘robot goddess’ – and she isn’t just a pretty face (29 June 2016)

At last, a cure for feminism: sex robots (10 June 2016)

Sex robots to storm into the British bedroom within ten years (9 June 2016)

Why This Guy Fell In Love With a Sex Robot (20 May 2016) with related Reddit discussion thread here

The world’s most high-end sex dolls are on display in Japan (2 May 2016)

When robots are an instrument of male desire (27 April 2016)

Why do we give robots female names? Because we don’t want to consider their feelings (22 April 2016) with related Reddit discussion thread here.

Virtual Reality Porn Is Coming To Las Vegas Hotel Rooms (20 April 2016)

Meet Jia Jia the ‘robot goddess’: Chinese inventor claims AI humanoid is the most realistic ever made (16 April 2016)

The Challenge of Determining Whether an A.I. Is Sentient (14 April 2016)

An article in ‘Salon’ about male sex toys (11 April 2016) Female author seems oblivious to the fact that men might want such devices as an alternative to a female partner, rather than as an add-on

Pornographic Progress, Sexbots and the Salvation of Man (7 April 2016)

What Do These Robots Mean For The Future Of Sex? (23 March 2016)

Will Sex Robots Make Real Women Obsolete? (21 March 2016) Reddit mensrights discussion thread

Vibrators are SEXIST: MRA says ‘brutal’ love machines will turn women into misandrist monsters (17 February 2016)

Feminists want to ban sex robots ‘because they’re like prostitutes’ (15 February 2016) UK

My robot Valentine: could you fall in love with a robot? (11 February 2016)

Makers of ‘mindblowing’ sex robot with virtual vagina swamped with orders (3 February 2016)

The future of sex includes robots and holograms. What does that mean for us? (14 January 2016)

Sex, love and robots: is this the end of intimacy? (13 December 2015)

Love and Sex with Robots conference cancelled for fear people would have sex with robots (26 October 2015)

Sex with robots will become reality by 2050, author claims (30 September 2015)

Advent of the virgin births: Women who have never been in a relationship paying £5,000 to get pregnant (27 September 2015) So, apparently it’s OK for women to not need men but not OK for men to not need women

The Campaign against Sex Robots website (seriously!?)

The feminist outrage at sexbots (24 September 2015) Video

Sexbots increase the market value of some women. Bring ‘em on!, by Janet Bloomfield (17 September 2015) USA

Progressive feminists: Ban sex robots! (16 September 2015) Video

Sexbots: Why women should panic (16 September 2015) Another great article from Milo Y – he really nails the subject. And > 1,000 readers comments already

Robots with artificial intelligence that can have sex with humans should be banned says a university academic (16 September 2015)

Will Sex Robots Make Real Women Obsolete? (15 September 2015) Video

Synthetic Love: Can a Human Fall in Love With a Robot? (23 June 2015)

“Robots designed for sex can’t say no, therefore having sex with one should be considered rape” – Jincey Lumpkin(TED) (17 April 2015) Reddit mensrights discussion thread and linked video

Ex Machina is less a movie about the nature of AI and more about the fantasies of men (23 March 2015) Because, of course, women never fantasize about obtaining sexual pleasure from machines

A vibrator is not a substitute for a partner. But how do you tell men that? (21 March 2015) This is the female perspective – but is it the same when the boot is on the other foot?

Toshiba’s android Chihira Aico is ready to work and play (10 January 2015)

Serious question, when “sex bots” start being made and sold, what will change in our society and culture? (24 November 2014) Reddit mensrights discussion thread

Sick child-like sex dolls being imported by accused paedophiles (9 November 2014)

‘I believe that it will become perfectly normal for people to have sex with robots’ (26 October 2014)

These Japanese sex dolls  (13 August 2014)

A (straight male) history of sex dolls (6 August 2014)

Will you lose your job to a robot? (6 August 2014) Scroll down to comment by Stowe Boyd

This blow job machine went viral, but will we let men enjoy it without shame? (July 2014)

http://np.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/22uoeq/radviceanimals_discusses_sex_bot_for_men_women/

Will robots replace prostitutes? (9 May 2014)

Year 2060 – The end of feminism due to fembots and artificial uteri

And this development takes technology forward in a different direction … Artificial wombs are coming (4 August 2014)

Are robots the future of sex?: Jincey Lumpkin Esq. at TEDxSiliconAlley (6 March 2013)

Human-like robots created by Japanese engineers (2 November 2011) Video

Tomoko Tamari interviews Jennifer Robertson on Robo-Sexism in Japan (22 September 2010)

The Windup Girl (novel)

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Elsewhere in this blog you might be interested in reading:

Deep down in places that feminists don’t talk about at parties (‘pussy cartel’)

Western men with Asian women: Gender relations through a different frame of reference (a parallel threat to the pussy cartel)

Western men with Asian women: Gender relations through a different frame of reference

Those who have spent a reasonable amount of time in Thailand would have recognised a strange and intriguing dynamic between western men, western women and Thai women. It is of particular interest to yours truly as it provides an opportunity to examine – from a different perspective – the current state of play between the sexes in western countries. And it’s not a pretty sight.

What is happening is that increasing numbers of western guys, including both resident expats and tourists, are seeking Asian wives and girlfriends. This is occurring at the same time that many men are rejecting marriage entirely as discussed in this further blog post.

When this subject gets raised in an online discussion forum the same issues and the same progression of arguments tend to be represented. Alternatively, if there is a (western) female moderator in the mix, the discussion thread is usually very quickly shut down.

Female contributors to these discussions accuse the men of (at best) having an ‘Asian fetish’, but more often than not as possessing one or more of the following characteristics:

  • latent peodophiles attracted to the petite stature of Asian women
  • socially inept losers who “couldn’t get a woman in their own countries”
  • ugly, fat, smelly and drunk
  • seeking a submissive slave, frightened of “strong, independant women”, and unable to cope with a partnership of equals

Female contributors invariably begin by feigning concern for the welfare of their Asian sisters, with comments about western men exploiting women of limited means and who are driven to consort with western men due only to economic imperatives. Once the men return fire, sometimes with a few barbs about issues of weight control, things turn nasty with many western women then turning on Asian women … labelling them scheming prostitutes who are only interested in ripping off western men (who deserve what they get).

Male contributors frequently reflect on their earlier unsatisfactory dealings with western women, frequently ending with costly divorce settlements. Sometimes men clarify that their attraction to Asian women is not racial objectification, but indicative of an attraction to certain personal characteristics that are more prevalent amongst women in Asian countries.

These attributes include gracefulness and femininity, loyalty, and a much reduced propensity for combativeness. Many men appreciate that women’s expectations regarding the roles of men and women is better defined and (importantly) more transparently and consistently applied.

At times interesting insights are offered by Asian women who have moved to western countries. More often than not they support the comments from western men regarding the selfishness and contempt shown by many western women in their dealings with western men.

Discussions within feminist web sites are uniformly contemptuous towards western men with Asian partners. As an example, I came across this statement in a paper on the SPLC web site:

“The men’s movement also includes mail-order-bride shoppers, unregenerate batterers, and wannabe pickup artists who are eager to learn the secrets of “game”—the psychological tricks that supposedly make it easy to seduce women. “

Nice jibe. That article, by the way, was penned by a feminist foot-soldier by the name of Arthur Goldwag who is discussed here. And while we’re on the topic of feminist lapdogs, here’s David Futrelle with his words of overblown inanity on the subject of those men preferring foreign partners.

Yes indeed, feminists really do get quite a burr in their panties when it comes to white men partnering with women from another culture (another example). Ah, and not only are men attracted to Asian women because they are perceived to be submissive – the feminist author of this article suggests that the same motivation applies to men who partner with deaf women.

The depth of anger and bitterness felt by some feminists about a trend that perceive as crafty western men bucking the system, is such that steps are being taken to address this ‘loophole’. There appear to be two main strategies now in train:

1. Apply progressively stronger pressure on governments in both source and destination countries to reduce the number of marriages between western men and women from developing countries. In particular this will involve increasing the cost and degree of difficulty associated with obtaining spouse or fiance visas for foreign wives to achieve residency status in western countries. The argument put forward to justify this will be an alleged strong nexus between non-western partners (who will be painted alternately as either vulnerable ingenues or devious scammers) and organised crime or domestic abuse. Expect to see ‘woozles’ aplenty as well as heavy use of terms like ‘mail-order brides’, human-trafficking, and sexual servitude. (Example)

An example of existing legislation with this aim is the US ‘International Marriage Broker Regulation Act‘. See also this article and readers comments about the situation in Sweden.

2. Dissuade foreign women from entering into long-term relationships with western men on the basis of scare tactics, i.e. an alleged high level of personal risk to them.

An example of this can be seen in an August 2014 article in the Bangkok Post, entitled ‘Australia’s hidden abusive migrant marriages‘. This article seeks to send a strong message to Thai women that they face grave risks should they relocate to a western country. Yet typical of feminist attempts to manipulate public opinion, it is heavy on claims and very light on actual information that would put threat levels into a meaningful context. In this case the actual information provided is quite inadequate in helping women assess the actual degree of actual risk. See also readers comments.

Further sources of information and insight regarding this theme:

Americans Conned into Marrying Immigrants for Green Cards (14 July 2018)

This is why I’ve lived in Japan for 12 years (11 November 2016) Discussion thread with linked video.

A woman’s view as to why men are deserting Western women for Asian women (August 2016) Reddit discussion thread with linked video

Why is a racial “fetish” looked negatively upon as racist, but not preference for other specific physical traits (such as eye color, height, etc) (7 July 2016) Reddit discussion thread

Foreign Women Are Not the Answer (NAFWALT) (9 May 2016) One would be foolish to suggest that marrying a(ny) foreign woman is a good strategy for a(ny) caucasian man dissatisfied with western women. Then again, too many are willing to rush in and forego getting to know their future partner, her family and her culture, so a reality check is probably in order.

Media attacks Yellow Fever but ignores more common White Fever (17 February 2015) Reddit mensrights discussion thread

Feminists versus  Yellow Fever by Willard Losinger (2 September 2014) Highly recommended reading

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatlife/9972174/The-Old-Sexpats-Club-members-and-their-young-Thai-women.html#disqus_thread The article is very negative and biased, but is entirely typical of mainstream media coverage of the issue. There are, however, some very insightful readers comments. (My own comments were provided using the pseudonym ‘Notyouraveragejoe’)

Asian Women and White Men (14 September 2014)

Feminists versus mail-order brides (9 August 2014)

Why white men prefer Asian women (undated)

http://diaryofamunchkin.blogspot.com.au/2009/02/why-farang-girls-hate-thailand.html

http://alt.support.short.narkive.com/CKzOA1Vj/why-white-women-hate-thailand

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/soc.culture.thai/G4grWatbzxw (“Unhappy farang girls who cant get a screw”). An extract from which reads:

I was approached by a western girl in Phuket who was obviously having a hard time with the lack of attention. She almost threw herself at me and said quietly in my ear that she and her mate were out looking to get laid. i was in the star wars nightclub at the time in patong surrounded by few hundred thai lovelies. back in England obviously i thought it would be a dream come true to get a girl acting like this. however in Thailand we have the upper hand so i decided to use it. I told her if that was the case that she was maybe in the wrong place and perhaps she should try her luck elsewhere. She looked like i had thrown molten metal in her face. This was beginning to give me far more enjoyment than shagging her ever would.
‘What do you mean’, she responded.
“I mean look around you’ I replied and pointed to all the thai ladies.
I continued to tell her how the arrogance of the western female had become increasingly offputting and thats why most males in the know were now coming to thailand. She then tried to come over all softly, softly and tried to explain she wasn’t one of these types. She then put her arms around me and whispered ‘please’ in my ear.
I was loving this. I finally pushed her away and said that i wasn’t the slight bit interested.
I could see her the tears of humility rise in her eyes and then she stormed off.
I felt a feeling of power wash over me that i’d never felt before.
Western females do this to men all the time in the west and it was superb to be able to enact the same punishment.
She was lucky though. i could of got her to buy me drinks all night whilst pretending to be interested and then gone off with someone else and the end of the night!

(Mod: Ouch! No wonder many men consider Thailand to be the place where western womens chickens have come home to roost!)

http://huahinforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=3699

http://www.bangkokdiaries.com/2008/06/22/why-farang-men-like-thai-girls-and-hate-farang-women/

http://www.bigmangobar.com/blog/reader-submissions/2009/12/01/western-world-women-hypocrisy-with-prostitution-www-doublestandardbitches-com-by-munutkangkao/

Tourism Thailand slammed ‘creepy’ ad (2 March 2015) Wonder if the stalker angle was really the only “creepy” thing about this ad

The following articles or discussion threads are not specific to Thailand:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/613599-young-men-giving-up-on-marriage/ This discussion is in the ladies sub-forum at ‘Thaivisa’, a roosting place for frustrated western women living in Thailand. Input is strictly controlled by ghastly entitled feminist moderators like ‘Boo’ who suspend or ban male contributors with relish. Boo

Example of discussion thread where Op expresses interest in travelling to Asia to meet women

Why white women hate Asian women (20 December 2006)

Scandinavian men leaving feminists to themselves (25 January 2013)

My sweet and sour dating experience: An expat career woman on Beijing flings (24 November 2013) with a reddit discussion that includes this post:

“When-ever you read a news story that seems a bit hateful, reverse the genders. Then ask yourself: “would this have been published with the reversed genders?” Imagine a guy, travelling to a foreign country, complaining about the “less than average” women getting handsome men and the women’s resulting ‘inflated egos’. Then displaying the racist attitudes toward the locals that they dated. Would a main stream media organization DARE to print something as offensive?

http://www.happierabroad.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11198&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 (Mod: Warning to sensitive readers, this one is quite harsh but included here to show the degree of upset evident amongst some men)

http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/07/25/marketing-asian-women-to-anti-feminist-men/ (Mod: The article offers no useful insights but the comments that follow include some interesting & quite heated exchanges)

http://bettyfokker.wordpress.com/2013/04/24/priss-pot-and-the-mail-order-bride/ (Bitter feminist perspective on the issue of western men marrying Asian women)

http://www.vagabondish.com/female-foreign-japan/ Blog article written by western woman in Japan complaining about being invisible (this article was discussed in this thread)

And here’s another related thread, but this one is about guys married to Philipinas: http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1kr801/

And in closing, who in their right mind would NOT understand western men not wishing to be with a woman like the author of this article? Hmmm?

Related posts within my blog:

Deep down in places that feminists don’t talk about at parties (On the notion of a ‘pussy cartel’)

On Australian men seeking foreign partners

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