Deep down in places feminists don’t talk about at parties (‘pussy cartel’)

Let’s set aside the dictionary definition of feminism. And all the nice cuddly things feminists are quoted as saying in the mainstream media. There are other significant considerations or issues of concern to real-world feminists. But even though they may feel deeply about them, they rarely admit to it. This post is about one such issue. It’s referred to under different names including women’s sexual currency, erotic capital, or the ‘pussy cartel’.

Have you ever wondered why feminists have such a visceral reaction to the topic of western men with foreign wives, prostitution (involving men paying women for sex), men viewing pornography, men using sex aids for solo pleasure, and MGTOW?

That reaction is summed up succinctly in this post in a discussion thread about men with foreign wives:

“Anything that gives men more options seems to piss them off.  Also why they despise prostitution. They really seem to think that women derive value from sex, and treat any women who aren’t trading it for things as they see fit, the way a union views scabs.” (Source)

Yes, sure, that’s just one person commenting about a one particular topic. But I have seen the same suggestion put forward, often simply as an aside, by others in many separate discussions about the various topics listed above.

Granted this does not apply to all women who identify as feminists, but please let’s not divert into the maze that is NAFALT. Likewise I won’t be side-tracked into discussions as to the fairness or appropriateness of women choosing to sleep with alpha males rather than ‘nice guys’, or remaining celibate, or whatever. Women can choose to do pretty much whatever they want with their own bodies. And, aside from women in sexual servitude in third-world countries, women exercise this choice every day of their lives. Good for them.

What I do object to though, is the denial and hypocrisy surrounding the reality of modern-day sexual mores, and of feminists claiming the moral high ground when often so very poorly qualified to do so. And to those who acknowledge reality but attempt to lay responsibility at the feet of the ‘patriarchy’, I say nonsense! Utter nonsense!

In the film ‘A Few Good Men‘, a ‘Code Red’ was said to be an unofficial military order to rough up an uncooperative soldier, with the aim of enforcing and strengthening team unity. Who remembers Jack Nicholson (as Col. Jessep) bellowing the line: “You don’t want the truth because deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall.”.

Is it true in fact that feminists recognise that a woman’s strongest (and increasingly now their only significant) bargaining chip is their power to grant or withhold sexual relief?

Is it not also that feminists see people who fall into the categories mentioned above (e.g. men with Asian wives, etc) as devaluing the sexual currency of  women, and loathe them for it? Often even seeking retribution against them?

Does the feminist version of a ‘Code Red’ consist of a package of shaming tactics? For example, slut-shaming for prostitutes and party girls. Shaming of men with Asian wives with comments like “you couldn’t get a woman in your own country” and “you’re too weak to handle a union of equals“.

This theme is explored further in the following papers:

Pornographic Progress, Sexbots and the Salvation of Man (7 April 2016)

Author Tells Women to Use Their “P*ssy Power” to Get the Men They Want (6 April 2015)

Study reveals price plays exclusive part in women’s approval of sexualy explicit advertisements (9 December 2013)

Seems like its women who mostly slut-shame (27 September 2014)

You can’t get laid in the United States (26 September 2011)

http://theumlaut.com/2013/07/02/the-economics-of-slut-shaming/

http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/sex-cartel/

http://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/20ptr7/stormblade260_explains_why_people_think_women/

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/yasmin-alibhai-brown/yasmin-alibhaibrown-women-without-any-rights-know-all-about-erotic-capital-2341700.html

http://www.the-niceguy.com/articles/SupplyDemand.html

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/07/08/sexual-economics/

Gender hypocrisy in porn debate (25 September 2013) This article was also reproduced in the AVfM web site with readers comments (some quite funny)

Intimate partner sexual abuse (3 August 2014)

Feminism’s homophobic roots – demanding compulsory heterosexuality because homosexuality oppresses women (A discussion thread on reddit/mensrights, July 2014) One reads little about the relationship between feminism and gay males, although there are quite a few gay male MRA.

Women should masturbate but men who do are lonely creeps

They’re afraid of men masturbating (20 September 2010)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nica-noelle/are-women-sexually-oppressing-men_b_5582485.html

Reddit discussion thread on slut-shaming

A Cold War fought by women, The New York Times (18 November 2013)

Women call other women sluts to guard their social standing: Study (29 May 2014)

Elsewhere in this blog you might be interested in reading:

Western men with Asian women: Gender relations through a different frame of reference

On Australian men seeking foreign partners

On sex, sexuality and sluts

Girls showing their bits = empowerment? patriarchal exploitation? self-indulgence? other?

On prostitution

Will fembots be a game changer?

On sex, sexuality and sluts

This post, at least for the time being, consists of a collection of papers related to sex and sexuality.

On sex and sexuality

The Sex Recession by Kate Julian

Women cheat because they LOVE their husbands… and it’s more about orgasms than intimacy (says woman who spent a year interviewing female cheats) (14 June 2018)

When Does a Watershed Become a Sex Panic? (14 November 2017)

An evolutionary perspective on orgasm (2017) with an extract here. Included within this post for curiosity value

The consequence of this new sexual counter-revolution? No sex at all (4 November 2017)

Study explains why university women embrace binge-drinking and hook-ups (19 September 2017)

Shaming men doesn’t build healthy sexuality (12 July 2017)

Bettina Arndt on sex-starved husbands (July 2017) Video

An angry reply about what men need from a ”sexually uninhibited woman” to the feminists who say women have to cheat men back (26 June 2017) Reddit discussion thread

Porn ISN’T to blame for a man’s inability to perform in the bedroom – it’s a lack of sexual satisfaction (9 June 2017)

There are countless studies of endometriosis, but when one female Masters student (not even a PhD) starts researching a paper on an untouched field – how men’s sex life is handled during a relationship with a sufferer, feminists lose their #%&* minds (1 June 2017) Empathy towards men? No way. Reddit discussion thread here. But here is a common-sense response, published in The Conversation of all places.

Lauren Southern: What every girl needs to hear (6 May 2017) Article with linked video

Janelle Monáe Thinks Women Should Consider a Sex Strike (11 April 2017)

New First World Feminism Problem: Cosmo Worries That Men Are Deriving Too Much Pleasure from Giving an Orgasm to a Woman (24 March 2017)

What do college students achieve by participating in the Hook-up culture? (23 March 2017) A snap-shot of what’s happening in North American campuses, that helps explain the environment conducive to false rape allegations and confusion about consent, for example.

‘There isn’t really anything magical about it’: Why more millennials are avoiding sex (2 August 2016) Related Reddit discussion thread here

Is Game of Thrones ‘desensitising’ us to fictional incest pornography, and driving our interest in faux-cest? (11 June 2016) “Women like the story” … sure, just like men buy Penthouse to read the articles.

Reply to /u/transamination/ about what men don’t understand about women, by Sage Gerard (13 April 2016) Sage has written some great stuff – check out his work sometime.

Shaming Men Doesn’t Build Healthy Sexuality (9 April 2016)

How Men Wanting to ‘Focus On Her Pleasure’ During Sex Can Still Be Sexist (16 December 2015) You won’t believe the views of this femi-nit (and then see what her readers think)

“There was a woman I knew intimately a few times. She is today an assistant professor of literature in a university and teaches with an explicitly feminist bent, able to effortlessly write reams upon reams of stuff in that vein.

In bed, she really did prefer it when the man took the lead and she was thankful that I’d broken the ice and made the first moves and so on. Afterwards, she said some words about me acting “entitled” to sex, an accusation which I found stunning at the time seeing as how we’d never had done it if I hadn’t stuck my neck out.

So that’s how it is with feminists. They expect– nay, DEMAND– that men make the first move and, when they do, sneer at them for their effrontery and being too forward, all of which is “entitlement” in their world. Their own normative situation of feeling they ought to get sexual attention– only when wanted– without breaking a sweat to get it and having their minds read in the process is, of course, a natural birthright and not “entitlement” in any way, shape or form.” (Source)

To rape is to want sex, not power (2 January 2016)

Turning down sex as a man (14 December 2015) reddit mensights discussion thread

Spike Lee: female students should go on sex strike to combat campus rape (27 November 2015) Reddit discussion thread and linked article

Slow-selling, expensive: female Viagra has been an epic fail (19 November 2015)

The Rise of the Half Night Stand (29 October 2015)

Feminists ‘are more likely to watch porn’ (15 September 2015)

The growing male sex drought (31 August 2015)

As one man gets an assault conviction after his lover complained about rough sex, JAN MOIR asks… What next? Jail for men who are a let down in bed! (26 June 2015)

Men Have A “Younger Women Problem” Damn You Biology (4 June 2015)

Why do straight women do ‘girl on girl action’ that they regret the next morning? (4 June 2015) Surprise, surprise … men blamed

The fascinating connection between how much married people make and how likely they are to cheat (4 June 2015)

A third of the people on hookup app Tinder are already married – with WOMEN being most likely to cheat (7 May 2015)

If a woman isn’t interested in sex, the problem quite possibly is with her (20 February 2015)

On the “empowering” benefits of pole-dancing (20 February 2015)

Is my sexuality OK with you? by Sage Gerard (18 February 2015)

Feminist explains why porn ban is necessary: “A recent German study found a clear negative correlation between consumption of Internet pornography and marriage rates among young men!!!” Article and related reddit mensrights discussion thread (2 February 2015)

Shock study: Marriage rate declines with porn use, threatening economy, society (16 December 2014)

The end of feminism by the Hoover Institution (3 December 2014)

Study shows women fantasize about being sexually dominated more than men fantasize about dominating someone sexually (3 November 2014) Reddit discussion thread and linked table

Study says sex with more than 20 women protects men from prostate cancer (29 October 2014)

Let’s cut this “all girls can get sex anytime” bull$&@t (12 October 2014)

Women Should Have Sex When They Don’t Want To. No, That Wasn’t a Typo (19 September 2014)

If he’s pressuring you for sex then he probably doesn’t love you” (Reddit discussion thread, 2011)

Women who don’t sleep around are more likely to have happy marriages (25 August 2014)

What women think about sex vs. the reality (17 August 2014)

Fed up to the point of killing his sex drive (22 July 2014)

Is our sexual double-standard going away? (3 March 2014)

Intimate partner sexual abuse (3 August 2014)

When women wanted sex much more than men (19 March 2013)

Not tonight, honey, I have a penis (March 2013)

Sex in Australia (2014) Detailed survey results of sexual activity

Feminism’s homophobic roots – demanding compulsory heterosexuality because homosexuality oppresses women (A discussion thread on reddit/mensrights, July 2014) One reads little about the relationship between feminism and gay males, although there are quite a few gay male MRA.

Science confirms it’s pretty much impossible for women to avoid being judged on their sexuality (17 July 2014)

Testosterone and F.T.M sex drive and see this readers comment on the subject that followed this article:

“I remember listening to the This American Life episode on testosterone. In Act 2, when a female-to-male transgender person is interviewed, he lays out all the graphic and objectifying thoughts he now has as a man. At no point is he challenged by the interviewer Alex Blumberg in his assumption that this must be how men see the world despite the fact that he, by his own admission, is taking HUGE amounts of testosterone as part of his transition–approximately 2-3 times the amount found in a typical adult male. A common element of misandry (which incidentally the text editor is underlining in red as not being a real word) is the idea that lewd or dangerous sexual behavior is merely the logical extension of normal male impulses. “I felt like a monster” says the interviewee followed by “It made me understand men. It made me understand adolescent boys a lot.””

How often men think about sex (23 June 2014)

Casual sex is great! (For narcissistic, coercive men!) (24 June 2014) A feminist perspective from ‘Slate’

Women should masturbate but men who do are lonely creeps

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/25hisf/all_feminists_are_rapists_meme_redux_feminists/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

http://www.femininebeauty.info/suppression.pdf (‘Cultural Suppression of Female Sexuality’)

http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/false-rape-culture/male-vilification-culture-formerly-rape-culture/

All PIV sex is rape and When they fuck us – Truly, very unhinged perspectives from the world of radical feminism

‘Seduction versus coercion: Accountability is such a bitch’

http://mankindglobalmedia.blogspot.com.au/2014/04/girls-can-get-it-from-other-girls-even.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

http://www.asexuality.org/en/topic/94086-asexual-ftms-on-testosterone-did-it-affect-your-sex-drive/

http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2014/04/would_you_have_sex_with_an_attractive_stranger_.html

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/22jagp/study_shows_women_find_asking_for_consent_big/

Why so many people care so much about others’ sex lives (22 July 2014)

Is there anything wrong with women riding the ‘cock carousel’? (A reddit/mensrights discussion thread)

Gender hypocrisy in porn debate (25 September 2013) This article was also reproduced in the AVfM web site with readers comments (some quite funny)

The Price of Sex: Women Rule, Men Drool, the Market’s Cruel (4 May 2013)

Sexual desire in female-to-male transsexual persons: exploration of the role of testosterone administration (August 2011)

Is There a Gender Difference in Strength of Sex Drive? Theoretical Views, Conceptual Distinctions, and a Review of Relevant Evidence (1 August 2001)

On sluts and slut-shaming

What are anti-slutshamers fighting for, exactly? (20 October 2016) Reddit discussion thread

I’m A Slut — And 100% Proud Of It (So Stop Shaming Me Already) (28 May 2016) with related Reddit discussion thread here

Why does the “stud” and “slut” double standard exist? (12 April 2016)

Sluts lower the value of all women. Here’s how to compete with them (17 December 2015)

When ‘Slutwalk’ Feminists Attack Lauren Southern (25 June 2015)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nica-noelle/are-women-sexually-oppressing-men_b_5582485.html

A Cold War fought by women, The New York Times (18 November 2013)

Women call other women sluts to guard their social standing: Study (29 May 2014)

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What did you call me? On labelling and language in gender discourse

One of the many feminist criticisms of the mens rights movement, and particularly MHRA web sites like ‘A Voice for Men’, is that they are characterised by the frequent use of descriptors of women that are offensive and sexist … terms such as sluts or whores.

Personally I have noticed that there is surprisingly little usage of such terms in MRA sites or blogs. Moreover when such terms do appear they are generally found within comments contributed by readers (some of whom are trolls), rather than in the body of posts or articles themselves. Such put-downs also almost invariably relate to feminists rather than women per se.

It was with interest then that I came across this study ‘Cursing in English on Twitter‘ (see section entitled ‘Cursing Vs Gender’ on page 8). Granted, the study wasn’t about MRA/feminist sites, but the findings are still interesting. The study found, for example, that the the use of terms ‘bitch’ ‘slut’ and ‘whore’ by women was more prevalent than the level of use by men.

This post looks at the issue of online harassment, whilst in another blog post I discuss the terms gender traitor, white knight and mangina.

Another related term that has come to be used increasingly widely is ‘cuck‘, which is  the shortened version of ‘cuckold‘. The common meaning seems to be a person (generally male) who does the bidding of another whilst not truly invested in that person’s (or groups) cause, for example a politician who supports feminist programs out of fear of castigation and/or in the hope of winning the ‘women’s vote’.

See also:

Masculinity and Misogyny in the Digital Age (2016)

‘Lord protect me from easily offended snowflake girls’ (17 October 2016) Ireland

Women most likely to use misogynistic language on Twitter, report finds (17 October 2016) with related Reddit discussion thread here

David Leyonhjelm: NSW Senator lodges complaint over journalist’s claim he is an ‘angry white male’ (15 August 2016)

Female judge stuns courtroom by telling racist thug: ‘You’re a bit of a c*** yourself’ (11 August 2016)

Are we seriously expected to take any liberal feminist seriously? (10 August 2016)

Corporate Cucks … and the language police who protect and serve them (5 August 2016)

The ‘C’ word (‘cuck’) (19 May 2016) Australia. Reddit discussion thread

“What’s mansplaining?” Senator Mitch Fifield offended by Senator Katy Gallagher’s allegation (10 February 2016) Australia. Video

Why Do Feminists And Social Justice Warriors Use So Much Profanity? (2 February 2016)

Is Kerri Sackville a slut? (18 January 2016)

Manspreading, Transgender and Shaming … How the Left Wing controls language (6 November 2015)

Mansults: the put-downs that are always levelled at straight white males (19 September 2015)

Mean Girls: Why the Only People Women Should Fear Online Are Other Women (10 August 2015)

Lena Dunham: The Expression ‘TMI’ Is Sexist (2 October 2014) USA

Ironic misandry: Why feminists pretending to hate men isn’t funny (12 August 2014)

http://m.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/373355/you-cant-whine-your-way-better-world-jim-geraghty

http://www.avoiceformen.com/women/dr-paul-on-the-bitch-double-standard/

http://uberfeminist.blogspot.com.au/2013/05/feminists-support-rape-culture.html

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