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White Ribbon Australia acknowledges male victims and invites communication (credibility trigger warning)

White Ribbon Day (25 November), and the days before and after it, saw quite a flurry of activity on the White Ribbon Australia Facebook page. I visited the page a number of times during this period to monitor discussion, occasionally contribute some comments, and generally check out what was going on.

I was interested to note the unexpectedly large number of posts from people drawing attention to the fact that many men were victims of domestic violence, that support services for male victims were inadequate or non-existent, and so on. I was also surprised to see a number of occasions where moderators sought to hose down dissent by uploading posts like this one:

“White Ribbon Australia believes that all forms of violence are unacceptable and acknowledges that domestic violence is experienced by both men and women. However, we also acknowledge that the majority of victims of domestic violence are women. We are aware that there are other organisations working to stop violence against men and we commend any work they do to stop violence. If you’re a male experiencing violence, please contact MensLine on 1300 78 99 78 . Similarly, the White Ribbon Campaign has a central focus; end violence against women.”

Another post, from a WRC ‘ambassador’, was similar but also earnestly invited communication with those who held views that differed from those espoused by WRC.

I was surprised because I haven’t noted comments like this in the WRC web site, or in their literature or submissions to inquiries, etc.

But alas, the positive spin ends there.

For at the same time that WRC were proffering soothing words, they were progressively removing posts from people who questioned their female-only focus or were in any way critical of their mission or their claims. They didn’t do this straight away however. I guess that would have amounted to too-obvious censorship. No they waited a half a day or a day before they quietly disappeared those troubling and clearly unacceptable posts. I’m guessing the rationale was to preserve the ideological purity of their message for the benefit of future generations. But they didn’t stop there. Oh, no. In my case, and I doubt I was alone in this regard, they banned me from making any future posts on their Facebook page.

When later I saw a particular comment posted, I simply had to respond and so I used an alternate Facebook account. The one comment to which I responded was “1 woman per week dies at the hand of her partner or ex in Aus – what a sad stat”. All I said in response was “and every ten days a man dies at the hand of his partner or ex – also a sad stat” and provided a link to a web page in which that stat was discussed.

The next day I discovered that my final comment had also been removed AND my Facebook account was locked – presumably as a result of a complaint to Facebook HQ. Given that I had not used that account for some time or for any other purpose, I think it’s reasonably safe to assume that the complaint came from WRC.

See also:

Comment on the White Ribbon Campaign (13 July 2012) Old habits die hard it seems!

Other posts in this blog most relevant to this topic:

On the censorship of non-feminist perspectives and opinions

The White Ribbon Campaign that addresses part of the problem Vs. The White Ribbon Campaign that addresses all of the problem

But when a woman hits a man it’s different

Female aggression is now increasingly being portrayed and seen as acceptable, and almost a hallmark of an empowered woman. Look for example at some of the speeches made by female celebrities following the election of President Trump in the USA.

The feminist logic appears to be:

Women are oppressed
Men are oppressors
Violence against the oppressors is liberation (Source: ‘Sinisus’)

An example of this ‘it’s different when women do it’ argument can be found in this delusional post by a feminist.

In an earlier article entitled ‘Jennifer Garner: Why I Wanted My Girls to Take Karate‘ (20 November 2014), one of Jennifer’s goals for her daughters is for them “to be able to kick a guy’s ass“.

Ms Garner’s comments aren’t unusual – I have simply chosen hers as but one example of a long line of articles/comments that I have read expressing similar sentiments. This is the flip-side of a culture increasingly being moulded by feminist organisations like ‘White Ribbon Campaign’, whereby female aggression is downplayed or completely ignored whilst male-perpetrated violence is exaggerated.

In July 2014 Whoopi Goldberg started a feminist firestorm with her comments on a US talk show in which she said that women should not hit their partners, and that if they did they should not be surprised if the man hit them back. Feminists have misrepresented Whoopi’s position as being one of supporting men who hit women, but in fact she just said that she supported the position of the innocent party who was hit first (whether that be a man or woman). Her position was that neither party had the right to hit the other.

Inherent in this discussion is the view amongst many feminist women that because men are bigger/stronger [which is not always the case] that men never had the right to hit women, regardless of whether the woman struck the first blow. The video clip of Whoopi’s statement is here, and here are some discussion threads and articles: Vfm article by Paul Elam, VfM discussion thread, reddit #1.

David Webb also attracted criticism for daring to suggest that women shouldn’t hit their husbands and boyfriends. Feminist journalist Barbara Ellen thinks that women hitting men is ‘different’ and OK. Kelly Brook thinks hitting her boyfriends is OK, too. Finally the issue was nicely summed-up in this article, with which I wholeheartedly agree.

Ten years in jail for ‘feisty’ mum who stabbed lover to death in Bromsgrove (22 October 2020) UK

Before you laugh, imagine it happened to a woman (4 October 2020) and a link to a related Reddit discussion thread

Real women don’t hit men (29 September 2020)

Twitter discussion thread regarding the excuse of ‘just a slap’, beginning with assertion by UK feminist organisation ‘Refuge’ that it is used to minimise violence against women (23 June 2020)

When women strike back, courts can’t always see their history of abuse (9 October 2019) Australia

This Boy Gets Suspended For Fighting Back Against The Girl Who Beat Him At School And People Are Furious (September 2019)

“I kick balls – deal with it”. Slogan used by ‘Sport England’ to promote women’s sport (April 2019) Scroll down to read about a similar 2017 Australian campaign

Layla Moran was wrong to attack her partner. But domestic violence by women is not the same as domestic violence by men (26 March 2019)

Women on the British TV show ‘Loose Women’ discuss the perceived double-standard regarding the portrayal of violence by men and by women (March 2019) Video

Old timey women stabbing handsy men (31 January 2019) Twitter thread started by Rebecca O’Neal

I did a social experiment, male versus female (16 November 2017) Reddit discussion thread

Slag (27 September 2017) Video

Beyond Atomic Blonde: cinema’s long, proud history of violent women (30 August 2017)

How can anyone excuse this abuse of a woman? (29 July 2017)

Bianca Lee Sams speaks out after being punched in face during road rage attack at Doyalson (26 July 2017)

“It doesn’t matter what the circumstances, you don’t punch women, ever”

Swiss feminist on state TV: “It’s okay for women to beat their husbands if they are being stupid (13 June 2017) Reddit discussion thread

Girl beats boy at school (1 June 2017) Article with linked video

Ouch. #MadamSecretary pic.twitter.com/ltSYw0pcsv

— Madam Secretary (@MadamSecretary) April 24, 2017

Sickening moment bouncer punches woman in the face outside Liverpool bar (18 April 2017) UK. Woman attempting to hit bouncer = not sickening, but bouncer defends himself is.

Woman punches man at Trump rally. Man punches her back. Media reports it as him sucker punching her. Only explanation to describe it as a “sucker punch” is her believing that she wouldn’t get hit back. (18 April 2017)

1,500 acid attacks have been recorded in London since 2011 (13 March 2017) And 3/4 of the victims were men. Reddit discussion thread here.

The secret Facebook page where women brag about violence toward men (4 February 2017) with related Reddit discussion thread here.

Women kicking balls, I’d like to see that (22 January 2017) New TV ad promoting women’s sport. Imagine an ad ‘Men grabbing pussy, I’d like to see that’. Appropriate or humorous? Didn’t work for Don Trump and this one will reflect poorly on the AFL.

I have a short story that has seriously wrecked my mood for a week now, and I need to get it off my chest (14 January 2017) Reddit discussion thread

Man asks for legal advice after slapping his physically abusive girlfriend, comments section accuses him of beating his girlfriend (3 January 2017) Reddit discussion thread. USA

In fiction, girls painfully slap their boyfriends and it’s portrayed as comedic, righteous and deserved. But when a guy does something like grab her wrist that is not nearly as painful, it’s portrayed as dark and abusive (26 December 2016) Reddit men’s rights discussion thread

Joe Mixon videos released (16 December 2016) Video. USA. NB: Hit someone and there’s a good chance you’ll get hit back. Women included. Welcome to equality.

Nova100 radio & Chrissie Swan celebrates the severing of a man’s penis (26 November 2016)

Not so safe: Roz Ward attacks Trump supporter (21 November 2016)

Punch caught on video leaves New Jersey teen fighting for her life (5 November 2016) USA

Sassy misandry is good for business – but assault on men is never funny (1 November 2016)

Viral Video Of Violent Teen Fight Raises Concerns In Vallejo (18 October 2016) Discussed in thread entitled ‘Girl attacks boy. Boy defends himself. Boy is ridiculed on Social Media for putting hands on a girl’

Normalisation of female on male violence in media? (7 October 2016) Reddit mensrights discussion thread

Why ARE modern women so aggressive? It’s been called the dark side of equality – a surge in respectable women flying into violent rages for the most trivial reasons (15 September 2016) with related Reddit discussion thread here

“In 1957, men were responsible for 11 violent offences for every one perpetrated by a woman — today, that is four to one”

“Two in five victims of domestic violence in the UK are men. The number of women prosecuted for it rose from 1,575 in 2004/5 to 4,266 in 2008/9”

Methods for downplaying or side-stepping violence against men (19 August 2016)

‘I Had to Be the Voice of Women’: The First Female Hijacker Shares Her Story (4 August 2016)

This woman hit and hit until her partner eventually lost his temper and hit back (8 June 2016) Video

Fifty shades of Tarzan! ‘Feisty’ Margot Robbie punches Alexander Skarsgard during Legend of Tarzan sex scene (31 March 2016)

I hit my boyfriend first, then he hit me back a lot harder, worse, and more, should I forgive? (August 2015) See comments

When it comes to MMA star Ronda Rousey, is there a domestic violence double standard? (12 November 2015)

Feminist collective supports violence against men’s rights advocates (14 September 2015) Australian video

Japan’s ‘Black Widow’ Arrested Again After Poisoning Her Eighth Male Victim (11 September 2015) and related reddit discussion thread

Assaulted in bar last night (August 2015)

Maxim Magazine — A publication for men — joins in the celebration of the woman who allegedly lit her boyfriend’s penis on fire for cheating (19 August 2015)

Libyan symbol of freedom now facing years behind bars (1 August 2015) and related reddit discussion thread

Patriarchy vs Facts: Domestic Violence (PART I) (23 June 2015) Video

New York City commuter fights manspreaders by sitting on them (7 June 2015)

Very important pussy (4 June 2015)

Preston boxer struck woman’s face (19 May 2015) and related reddit mensrights discussion thread

Footage shows Indian woman body-slamming man at train station (4 March 2015) Reading between the lines here, there is no reason to assume that this was not simply an unprovoked act of violence by the women … except feminism

Teen Reportedly Threw Acid on Her Boyfriend’s Penis (4 February 2015)

Don’t hit me, I’m a girl! (26 December 2011)

ISIS women recruits: What life is really like (30 January 2015)

Feminists Rely on “Men Shouldn’t Hit Women” To Get Away With Hitting Men – Compilation (25 January 2015)

Wife chops off cheating husband’s penis, twice (14 January 2015) Somehow I don’t think a story about a man cutting off his wife’s breast would be given the same whimsical treatment as per this article

The ‘Manslamming’ campaign is literally a campaign for slamming into men and then claiming they slammed into you (12 January 2015)

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/2pmn5w/over_in_raskwomen_femaleonmale_domestic_violence/ (December 2014)

When you’re a boy you can get beat up and it’s totally fine (3 December 2014)

#BBCtrending: Indian sisters beat up another man in new video (2 December 2014) Further developments on that incident here.

Why I won’t teach my boys not to hit girls (24 November 2014)

‘The View’ Co-Hosts On NYC Subway Brawl Video: ‘She Needed To Get Slapped Back’ (12 November 2014)

Women and violence: Society’s double standard (29 July 2014)

Have you ever beaten up a boyfriend? Cause, Uh, we have an article that appeared in Jezebel in August 2007, with commentary/rebuttal by MRA Janet Bloomfield (and here)

Woman goes crazy when man says hello (3 September 2013) Video

Researcher says women’s initiation of domestic violence predicts risk to women (17 November 2011)

‘Initiation of domestic violence increases risk of violence‘ (6 August 2009)

Other posts in this blog most closely related to this topic:

On violence carried out by women and girls

Differing public response to partner violence depending on gender of victim

How men are portrayed … Haw Haw Haw! The jokes on us

Regarding the notion of ‘Ironic Misandry’

#shirtstorm

In case you’ve been living under a rock in past weeks a British scientist by the name of Dr Matt Taylor landed in a world of hurt because the shirt he wore at a media conference offended some feminists. Dr Taylor is part of a team that had just managed to land a spacecraft on a comet.

In a breathtaking display of pettiness and vindictiveness a number of feminists targeted him for abuse and harassment eventually leading to an emotional apology by Dr Taylor for hurting their feelings via his choice of clothing. Said feminists claimed that Dr Taylor’s shirt embodied rampant sexism within the STEM field of professions, that was in turn instrumental in discouraging women from entering this sphere of endeavour.

Even on my very best day, I could not have summed up the debate any better than did Janet Bloomfield in her blog post entitled “It’s not advanced math and rigorous training that keeps women out of STEM. It’s sexist shirts. Watch feminists break the stupid meter“. Read it and weep.

Back off #shirtstorm scientist, supporters say (18 November 2014)

How to Turn a Cool Moment Into a #ShirtStorm by Cathy Young (17 November 2014)

A Giant Leap Backwards for Womankind (17 November 2014)

Boris Johnson: Philae scientist deserves applause, not criticism over a garish shirt (16 November 2014)

“I watched that clip of Dr. Taylor’s apology – at the moment of his supreme professional triumph – and I felt the red mist come down. It was like something from the show trials of Stalin, or from the sobbing testimony of the enemies of Kim Il-sung, before they were taken away and shot. It was like a scene from Mao’s cultural revolution when weeping intellectuals were forced to confess their crimes against the people.”

Interstellar patriarchy: Protecting women everywhere from shirts! (13 November 2014)

I don’t care if you landed a spacecraft on a comet, your shirt is sexist and ostracizing (13 November 2014)

Brilliant anti-feminist spoof claims space scientist’s shirt is ‘sexist’ (15 November 2014) NB: This link is not working now – am awaiting advice from Breitbart on this matter)

Techno/Science Geeks Should Not be Made to Cry (15 November 2014)

Buy it here: http://www.alohaland.com/whats-new/new-gunner-girls

Other posts in this blog most closely related to this topic:

Less than 50/50 representation does not automatically imply ‘gender bias’

Beware the ire of an angry feminist

Deep down in places feminists don’t talk about at parties (‘pussy cartel’)

Let’s set aside the dictionary definition of feminism. And all the nice cuddly things feminists are quoted as saying in the mainstream media. There are other significant considerations or issues of concern to real-world feminists. But even though they may feel deeply about them, they rarely admit to it. This post is about one such issue. It’s referred to under different names including women’s sexual currency, erotic capital, or the ‘pussy cartel’.

Have you ever wondered why feminists have such a visceral reaction to the topic of western men with foreign wives, prostitution (involving men paying women for sex), men viewing pornography, men using sex aids for solo pleasure, and MGTOW?

That reaction is summed up succinctly in this post in a discussion thread about men with foreign wives:

“Anything that gives men more options seems to piss them off. Also why they despise prostitution. They really seem to think that women derive value from sex, and treat any women who aren’t trading it for things as they see fit, the way a union views scabs.” (Source)

Yes, sure, that’s just one person commenting about a one particular topic. But I have seen the same suggestion put forward, often simply as an aside, by others in many separate discussions about the various topics listed above.

Granted this does not apply to all women who identify as feminists, but please let’s not divert into the maze that is NAFALT. Likewise I won’t be side-tracked into discussions as to the fairness or appropriateness of women choosing to sleep with alpha males rather than ‘nice guys’, or remaining celibate, or whatever. Women can choose to do pretty much whatever they want with their own bodies. And, aside from women in sexual servitude in third-world countries, women exercise this choice every day of their lives. Good for them.

What I do object to though, is the denial and hypocrisy surrounding the reality of modern-day sexual mores, and of feminists claiming the moral high ground when often so very poorly qualified to do so. And to those who acknowledge reality but attempt to lay responsibility at the feet of the ‘patriarchy’, I say nonsense! Utter nonsense!

In the film ‘A Few Good Men‘, a ‘Code Red’ was said to be an unofficial military order to rough up an uncooperative soldier, with the aim of enforcing and strengthening team unity. Who remembers Jack Nicholson (as Col. Jessep) bellowing the line: “You don’t want the truth because deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall.”.

Is it true in fact that feminists recognise that a woman’s strongest (and increasingly now their only significant) bargaining chip is their power to grant or withhold sexual relief?

Is it not also that feminists see people who fall into the categories mentioned above (e.g. men with Asian wives, etc) as devaluing the sexual currency of women, and loathe them for it? Often even seeking retribution against them?

Does the feminist version of a ‘Code Red’ consist of a package of shaming tactics? For example, slut-shaming for prostitutes and party girls. Shaming of men with Asian wives with comments like “you couldn’t get a woman in your own country” and “you’re too weak to handle a union of equals“.

This theme is explored further in the following papers:

Why Do Men Watch Porn? (25 April 2021)

Pornographic Progress, Sexbots and the Salvation of Man (7 April 2016)

Author Tells Women to Use Their “P*ssy Power” to Get the Men They Want (6 April 2015)

Study reveals price plays exclusive part in women’s approval of sexualy explicit advertisements (9 December 2013)

Seems like its women who mostly slut-shame (27 September 2014)

You can’t get laid in the United States (26 September 2011)

http://theumlaut.com/2013/07/02/the-economics-of-slut-shaming/

http://dalrock.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/sex-cartel/

http://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/20ptr7/stormblade260_explains_why_people_think_women/

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/yasmin-alibhai-brown/yasmin-alibhaibrown-women-without-any-rights-know-all-about-erotic-capital-2341700.html

http://www.the-niceguy.com/articles/SupplyDemand.html

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/07/08/sexual-economics/

Gender hypocrisy in porn debate (25 September 2013) This article was also reproduced in the AVfM web site with readers comments (some quite funny)

Intimate partner sexual abuse (3 August 2014)

Feminism’s homophobic roots – demanding compulsory heterosexuality because homosexuality oppresses women (A discussion thread on reddit/mensrights, July 2014) One reads little about the relationship between feminism and gay males, although there are quite a few gay male MRA.

Women should masturbate but men who do are lonely creeps

They’re afraid of men masturbating (20 September 2010)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nica-noelle/are-women-sexually-oppressing-men_b_5582485.html

Reddit discussion thread on slut-shaming

A Cold War fought by women, The New York Times (18 November 2013)

Women call other women sluts to guard their social standing: Study (29 May 2014)

Elsewhere in this blog you might be interested in reading:

Western men with Asian women: Gender relations through a different frame of reference

On Australian men seeking foreign partners

On sex, sexuality and sluts

Girls showing their bits = empowerment? patriarchal exploitation? self-indulgence? other?

On prostitution

Will fembots be a game changer?

#womenagainstfeminism

Up till now I have incorporated comments by women opposed to feminism within several earlier posts within this blog, particularly:

About feminism & feminist antipathy towards issues faced by men
Beware the ire of an angry feminist
Not all feminists are like that (NAFALT)
Karen Straughan and others on feminist shaming tactics

But in past weeks the #womenagainst feminism hashtag has really taken off, so let’s celebrate this by launching a new post dedicated to the subject.

This is the blog that got people talking (and here it is on Facebook). And then came the feminist backlash, which ranged from bemused to concerned/pleading to (mostly) white hot anger:

They’re right, I don’t understand feminism (22 June 2023)

“Feminist Bitches” Who Needs Them? (11 August 2014) Both the article and readers comments have to be read to be believed – stupid on steroids. But be sure to read the contribution by ‘Bowspearer’ in the readers comments section – most insightful and eloquent.

Glenn Reynolds zaps infamous lib writer Nina Burleigh for #slutshaming young conservative women (2 August 2014)

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rossalynwarren/i-do-not-think-it-means-what-you-think-it-means

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/14/women-against-feminism-show-how-bad-arguments-against-feminism-really-are/

http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/five-times-the-women-against-feminism-tumblr-proved-women-really-need-feminism-20140717-3c2so.html

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/07/anti-feminist-women-hobby-lobby-decision-great

http://jezebel.com/things-i-learned-from-womenagainstfeminism-1609067794

http://www.salon.com/2014/07/24/hey_women_against_feminism_feminism_still_has_your_back_so_youre_welcome/

http://the-coveted.com/blog/2014/07/23/why-the-not-feminist-feminist-trend-is-frightening/

http://www.vice.com/read/women-against-feminism-have-a-strange-fixation-on-jars-723

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/24/you-don-t-hate-feminism-you-just-don-t-understand-it.html

Feminist Rebecca mocks the young women appearing in the #IDontNeedFeminism web page

“Women against Feminism” – The unfortunate product of the intimidating and hostile side of modern day feminism (27 July 2014)

Let’s bite the hand that feeds us shall we? (30 July 2014)

Are men behind the #WomenAgainstFeminism blog? (30 July 2014) Becky can’t believe that women would turn against the cult, men must be behind it! Ridiculous beyond belief.

Oh no, wait a minute, this is even more stupid. #womenagainstwomen is apparently for pedophiles and dirty old men (31 July 2014)

And here in Australia the feminists are really frothing at the mouth with rage (see also readers comments) (‘The Conversation’, 18 August 2014) Here nutty feminist ‘Jena’ responds to one of the few anti-feminists who bothered to post comments:

“I actually don’t need to answer to you Andrew and historical record is my proof of the fact that Lincoln, Wilberforce and other reformers have been lionised while your response to this article is singular proof (documented) that females are denigrated for the same work.

Now, it is left to me to also state that females are not compelled to answer to you and so, in future, your comments will be ignored by me at least.”

The Feminine vs. Feminism: Strong Women Rejecting Weak Ideas (1 October 2015)

What George Will wrote – and what happened next

Firstly, might I suggest that you read the article that started this whole affair – here it is here. The article was called ‘Colleges become the victims of progressivism’, was written by George Will, and published on 6 June 2014.

George’s article concerned the mythical rape culture and associated culture of female victimhood that has taken root and is flourishing in North American university campuses.

I originally mentioned this issue in my post about feminist censorship, but the subject has now taken on a life of its own and well and truly warrants its own post. What makes it so significant is that it perfectly typifies what feminism has done, and is continuing to do, in stamping out dissenting views. Or more specifically, in stamping out people who dare to express dissenting views.

The feminist backlash against the publication of George’s article was immediate and soon resulted in him being sacked from his role at the newspaper in question. Yup, so much for the Land of the Free. Yay feminism!

Petition to fire George Will launched by wife of White House Media Director (12 June 2014)

St. Louis paper dumps George Will for Michael Gerson (19 June 2014)

(Mis) reading George Will (19 June 2014)

Tony Messenger: The man who fired George Will (19 June 2014)

Rage against the outrage machine (23 June 2014)

Here’s how the smear machine works – courtesy of Michelle Dean and Gawker (24 June 2014)

“People aren’t misunderstanding what Will wrote: They deliberately misrepresented what Will said …” (24 June 2014)

There is no internet ‘outrage machine’ – just these outrageous rape apologists (25 June 2014)

And Ms. magazine was still railing against George Will and his cohort of rape apologists etc etc in August 2014 in this piece of wild-eyed lunacy entitled ‘The Second Wave of Backlash against Anti-Rape Activism‘

Women’s studies professors pitch tantrum over George Will appearance (19 October 2014)

Raucous protesters choke entrance at George Will’s Miami University speech (22 October 2014)

If only 12% of campus sexual assaults get reported, then only 1 in 32 women at Ohio State are sexually assaulted, not 1 in 5 (20 October 2014)

Due process is still being kicked off campus (13 May 2016) USA

Differing public response to partner violence depending on gender of victim

In a segment on the ‘Sunrise’ morning TV show there appeared a video where actors simulated a display of partner harassment/violence in a public space. In the first scenario the man was the aggressor, and in the second scenario they reversed the roles. The differing reaction by members of the public was profound. The same clip has been circulating on the internet for some time now and has been the subject of much discussion in fora such as Reddit Mens Rights (see link below).

I was interested to see how the topic was dealt with on Sunrise for a couple of reasons. Firstly in promotional clips they seem to suggest that the story was about whether members of the public should intervene in instances of partner violence – rather than about the different reaction to having a male as aggressor versus female as aggressor.

Secondly, I was interested because one of those presenting the story was Andrew O’Keefe who is heavily involved in the ‘White Ribbon Campaign’ in Australia. The issue here is that the ‘White Ribbon Campaign’ is complicit in injecting into the public’s consciousness the notion that ‘domestic violence = men’s violence towards women’. In so doing the ‘Campaign’ and other domestic violence advocacy groups like it, divert attention from the other facets of domestic violence (i.e. M+M, F+F, and female on male violence).

It was indeed ironic then that Andrew tut-tutted the contrasting public reaction to female on male violence shown in the video, given that could be viewed as an outcome of the message broadcast by the White Ribbon Campaign and many pro-feminist organisations like it.

The unfortunate fact is that the average member of the public simply does not now recognise a woman’s aggression towards a male as being domestic violence, or that women’s aggression generally is of any particular social significance.

Jeremy Kyle slams audience for LAUGHING at male domestic violence victim who threw himself off a balcony (12 May 2015)

Youtube has apparently removed at least one video showing women abusing men (after it hit 6,000,000 views), but has left online videos showing men abusing women – details in this reddit discussion thread (30 October 2014)

Here is a good blog post about the video by Ally Fogg

An article in the The Independent (27 May 2014) and related Reddit discussion thread

An article about the same video in The Daily Mail

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbPmdePpfG0 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFAd4YdQks (A second/separate video showing public reaction to women abusing men)

In this hidden camera experiment a women is seen spiking her date’s drink – see how bystanders react. And yes, drink-spiking by women occurs quite often in real life – here is just the latest incident to appear in the media.

In this hidden camera experiment first a woman, and then a man, take money from a sleeping homeless guy. See the differing reaction by members of the public.

Another hidden camera experiment – Many people come to the aid of a women being abused, but yet again no-one comes to the aid of a male being subjected to abuse by a woman

A feminist justifying the differing public response to M/F and F/M violence and a related reddit discussion

This discussion thread and linked video isn’t about partner violence, but it does show how many members of the public will paint a man as the aggressor even when a woman initiates violence and continues despite efforts to reason with her.

This paper contains many links to further sources proving examples of male victims of domestic abuse not being taken seriously.

Also not about partner violence but still relevant – this video shows a female student assaulting a male student while a female teacher watches on but fails to control the situation.

Why didn’t I stop to help a woman in need? (5 August 2014)

Reaction to women abusing men in public (26 March 2008) Video

But maybe public reaction will be different in the case of sexual harassment. Hmm, maybe not

Why Women Are Overly Confident With Themselves On The Street, by Rollo Tomassi (26 July 2022) Video

Lone women drivers are top priority, says AA after tweet backlash (22 January 2022) This article has nothing to do with partner violence but is included here to illustrate the pervasive gender bias in the media. “We are more at risk physically than men in that situation. It’s just a fact, I’m afraid.” No, it’s not a fact at all.

COVID-19: The bystander role has never been more critical in calling out (9 April 2020) Makes perfect sense – assuming you only recognise female victims of domestic violence

Woman on an Indian TV show slaps a male and he slaps her back. White Knights in the studio then attack the man en masse. The only good news is that apparently the man later took successful legal action against the woman who hit him. (1 March 2020)

The latest clip doing the rounds on Twitter (24 February 2020) Again, a girl strikes first. Her target hits back and then the crowd turns against him

Another clip seen on Twitter. As usual when girl attacks boy, no-one intervenes until he defends himself … then both males and females aggressively seek to stop & punish the male (2 September 2019)

Girl in a classroom hits male student. No-one steps in until he finally strikes back – and people seek to rescue her (Tweet & linked video)

Feminists laugh at the idea of violence against men (2017) Video

Tania Reynolds on Men as stereotypical perpetrators of harm: Half hour of Heterodoxy #40 (30 November 2018)

I abused a man in public and no one cared (11 October 2017) with Reddit discussion thread here

Bystanders often don’t intervene in sexual harassment – but should they? (21 February 2017) Although artfully camouflaged, the gender bias runs deep in this article. It ignores violence against men, ignores violence by women, and suggests that women more likely to intervene to stop violence.

VIDEO: Do our beliefs about domestic violence match the facts? (12 January 2017)

Dash Cam captures the moment a ‘disgruntled’ wife rams her husband’s van (4 January 2017) Australia

If a boy, a girl, a cat and a dog were abandoned in a park who would be rescued first? (20 August 2016) The patriarchy works in mysterious ways

An Open Letter To Eddie McGuire & TripleM (13 March 2016) Australia

Gang of ‘vigilantes battered a man to death with a hammer after they saw him having an argument with his girlfriend in the street’ (4 March 2016) UK

It’s not clear whether this incident at a US school was partner violence or not, but I have included it here as the media coverage and school commentary certainly display a gender-based double standard (18 February 2016)

No more slapping (15 February 2016) Video

Would YOU intervene if you saw a woman slap her boyfriend? Shocking video shows strangers ignoring domestic violence in the street – but they rush to help a female victim (10 November 2015)

Anti-bullying video carried empowering message (29 October 2015) But no mention of the corresponding reaction when a boy was bullied. Why not? Well perhaps because it was produced by the same guy who did the infamous street harassment of a woman in New York video.

Feminist Student repeatedly assaults boy until he responds (16 June 2015)

Taraji P. Henson Slaps the Hell Out of SNL‘s Taran Killam in New Promo (9 April 2015)

Physically Abused Boyfriend Hits Girlfriend Back In Public Experiment! (6 April 2015) Another hidden-camera video

The ‘Women are Wonderful’ effect (Wikipedia entry) and this video by Christina Hoff Sommers (30 March 2015)

Domestic abuse in public (3 October 2014) Video

Insightful article by Jim Muldoon regarding why men may not always choose to step in for women (1 March 2014)

Reality TV actress slaps male contestant. White knights in studio audience beat male contestant when he slaps her back (12 February 2013) Youtube video

An article about gynocentrism: This paper concerns the mindset that underpins the widespread failure to recognise men as being worthy of assistance or positive intervention in situations like domestic violence. This concept is further explored here.

Elsewhere in this blog you might be interested in reading:

But when a woman hits a man it’s different
How men are portrayed … Haw Haw Haw! The jokes on us
On recognising and supporting male victims of domestic violence

On gender traitors, white knights and manginas

As I discussed in another post within this blog, feminists often display a generous measure of spitefulness and intolerance towards those who don’t share their jaundiced view of the world. The degree of loathing demonstrated seems to depend in part on where people rank in the following list (with one being most loathed):

Female men’s rights activists
Male men’s rights activists
Female celebrities who openly refuse to be labelled as feminists (example: Salma Hayek)
Other women who openly refuse to be labelled as feminists (see this post and here)
Men who claim to be feminists (example)
Everyone else not in their own particular clique

I don’t recall having seen the term ‘gender traitor’ used within a men’s rights web site or forum. Nevertheless, when I googled that term, for some reason I half expected to bring up a list of sites towards the harsher fringes of the so-called ‘Manosphere’. Perhaps this is a hang-over from all those long years of gynocentric brain-washing that I’ve endured.

No, what I found instead was sites where the term ‘gender traitor’ was used by feminist women … sites such as these:

http://www.skepticink.com/skepticallyleft/2012/11/01/gender-traitor-solidarity
http://www.democraticunderground.com/111411793

Interestingly also, when I review the search terms that people use to find my blog, I’ve noted several examples like “Erin Pizzey traitor” or “Karen Straughan traitor” (these being well-known men’s rights activists). And just recently an Australian journalist, Corrine Barraclough, was accused of being a traitor after calling for a gender-neutral approach to domestic violence.

This use of ‘gender traitor’ and other similar terms conflicts with this statement by a feminist writer: “Interesting that feminists do not have a derogatory word for women who are not active in their movement. Maybe men could just respect each other’s opinions and win minds with logic.”

Maybe that writer should google-search on the term ‘pick-me’, which is used to try to deride women who either support or are sympathetic to, one or more men’s rights issues.

Unbelievably, the term ‘simp‘ has even come to the attention of the US Dept of Homeland Security who state in a March 2024 report about the perceived dangers of the manosphere, that:

“A disconcerting trend has surfaced within the manosphere… where men proudly proclaim to “stop simping.” ‘Simp’ is sometimes used as a derogatory term to troll men who extend positive expression or behavior towards women, particularly kindness.” (Source)

Whilst browsing social media and the WWW, two other terms likely to be encountered are ‘White Knight’ and ‘Mangina’. These terms tend, however, to be used with more of a sense of bemusement or mild disgust, rather than white hot anger. It is important to note also, that neither term are used in a blanket sense, i.e. to refer to all men who don’t support the men’s rights agenda. And in fact, many within the men’s rights movement reject the use of the term ‘mangina’ entirely, seeing it as inherently misogynistic.

White Knights are mainly driven by a sense of chivalry, impulsively responding to the impromptu cultural cue of a ‘damsel in distress’. Often white knights are largely ignorant of the nature of both feminism and the men’s rights movement. The historical derivation of the concept of a White Knight is discussed in this blog post.

Here is a recent example of ‘White Knight’ behaviour. Whilst I respect Ian Chappell as a person, his suggestion that cricketer Chris Gayle be banned from playing is an absurdly ‘over-the-top’ response to a relatively benign misdemeanour.

Whereas ‘white knights’ can be ingenues in the context of the gender debate, manginas are active and informed. Manginas often consider themselves to be feminists. They are frequently wilfuly persistent in seeking out opportunities to compromise the efforts of those wishing to advance particular objectives of the men’s rights movement and/or counter aspects of feminist ideology.

This is the way one fellow explained the difference between the two:

“A white knight is a man who will mindlessly defend a woman even when she is in the wrong, particularly if he does it out a misguided hope of impressing women with his honor. White knights are not necessarily feminists; they may be traditionalists as well. Women, not just feminists, will manipulate white knights into attacking other men for their own ends (or even just amusement).

A mangina is a man who has embraced the misandry of radical feminism and uses it to denigrate and smear other men in a pathetic attempt to make himself look better by comparison or to specifically curry the favor of feminist women.

A white knight will attack you physically, a mangina will just accuse you of being an exemplar of toxic masculinity. A white knight may be a very masculine man, a mangina never is.” (Source)

See also:

Change Makers, Indoctrination for Australian men seeking help in becoming a suitably compliant puppy in the workplace (December 2022) And no, there’s no equivalent training available for women

A rather typical article on DV fashioned by a feminist ally by the name of James Kirkup (25 October 2021)

Male feminist, Jason Dion Bews, assaults female reporter then women cover his escape into the crowd (24 January 2017) Canada. Will this practice, feminists employing male muscle to fight their fights, become more common? If they get caught, meh, disavow & blame toxic masculinity!

The gendered nature of trolling, by Cory Zanoni (7 October 2016) An example of a mangina in action, employed by a web site widely-recognised for the degree of gender bias which it practices (example).

Things we could celebrate on an International Men’s Day, by Ben McLeay (7 March 2016) Another example of the handiwork of a mangina.

A more aggressive version of a ‘White Knight’ (20 January 2016) UK

Men Cannot Be Feminists, So Let’s Talk About Diversity Instead (10 December 2015) Australia

Beware the Self-Proclaimed Male Feminist (1 December 2015)

Philip Davies: ‘politically correct males pander to militant feminists’ (20 November 2015) UK

Gender identity triangle (3 June 2015) You Tube video

Masculinity, Positive Masculinity, and the White Knight as a Perversion of Masculinity (9 May 2015)

TV ad #4 Gender Traitor? Woman Hater? What kind of women think so? Divorce Attorney Marilyn York (29 April 2015)

On White Knight syndrome (undated) India

7 reasons why dating feminist men truly sucks by Janet Bloomfield (14 November 2014)

The #GamerGate White Knight syndrome (18 October 2014)

Wanna be a Male Feminist? Okay, here’s what you have to do by Janet Bloomfield (9 August 2013)

Why so few men protest anti-male sexism (Or: Why men fear women) (23 January 2012) Some background to understanding why many men are, the way they are – see also my post on ‘chivalry’.

‘The One Good Man‘ by Alison Tieman (16 March 2011)

White Knight Syndrome

Manginas – Betrayers of men (20 August 2008)

LibDem Mangina Richard Reeves calls for more housework to be done by men for women (8 March 2013)

The failed manhood of white knights (23 May 2012) by Paul Elam

A Youtube video on what feminism does to men

‘It’s not a contradiction for men to discriminate against other men’ (14 July 2014)

http://manhood101.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=205

http://drewspective.com/2011.11/misandry-distinguishing-lied-to-men-from-white-knights-manginas-pussy-beggars/

Feminism as a mating strategy among beta males (30 June 2014)

#DearFeministMen, there are some people who value your opinions and experiences (2 August 2014)

The Rise of the Mangina (27 November 2013)

Other related posts within this blog:

On chivalry
What did you call me? On labelling and language in gender discourse
Nice guys, nice guys™ and the friendzone

On the censorship and erasure of non-feminist perspectives and opinions

In 1913 a gentleman by the name of Ernest Bax wrote:

“When, however, the bluff is exposed… then the apostles of feminism, male and female, being unable to make even a plausible case out in reply, with one consent resort to the boycott, and by ignoring what they cannot answer, seek to stop the spread of the unpleasant truth so dangerous to their cause. The pressure put upon publishers and editors by the influential Feminist sisterhood is well known.” [From The Fraud of Feminism, p.1-2]

In this post I am using a broad definition of censorship that includes blocking or excluding or misrepresenting people/groups or opinions that are at odds with all or part of the feminist narrative.

I should mention that it is not only anti-feminist perspectives that are censored, but also sometimes perspectives offered by men who identify as feminists, or by women who identify as (for example) equity feminists rather than gender feminists.

An example of feminist men being excluded can be seen in this article about a pro-abortion rally in Ireland where men in the audience were told to “know your place” and to remember that “this is a women’s movement“.

Personally, when I read material produced by feminists and see how they respond in online forums, my mind is drawn to the Credit Union Australia adverts shown on Australian TV. In those ads people block out information they don’t want to hear/consider by covering their ears and saying “la la la”. Except that feminists often substitute the la la la with somewhat saltier language.

What is happening is that any view that runs contrary to feminist ideology is branded misogynistic and hateful, and thus automatically unworthy of consideration. In my eyes, alternative viewpoints are not necessarily hateful. Sure they might cause hurt feelings, but that is part and parcel of debate in intelligent adult society.

Feminists say they are addressing both mens and womens issues, and will make the world a better place if we just stay the F**K away and let them do what they need to do. This is a nonsense. Has there been even a single policy change initiated or achieved by feminists that has had a tangible benefit for men collectively? (Cue: sound of crickets)

Good quote about feminism: “That’s what gets me about them — for thirty years, they screamed that slogan [make the personal, political] at the top of their lungs. And then, once men start turning to politics to make the personal political, they start hemming and hawing about whether or not this issue or that one is really a ‘mens’ issue. But somehow, everything on earth is a women’s issue.” (Source)

Let’s be quite clear that we are talking about censorship based on ideology and personal preferences here. I have no problem with moderators taking action against posts that are threatening, incoherent, or peppered with profanity.

So what then are some of the techniques commonly employed by feminists/SJW to isolate those putting forward alternative positions?

Blocking and/or removal of posts or readers comments in online blogs and mainstream media web sites

A major factor in motivating me to create this blog was the annoyance I experience when I’m continually thwarted upon trying to post my views in online fora, for example in blogs, discussion forums, and mainstream news sites like news.com.au.

This blocking or removal of dissenting posts is extremely prevalent in sites related to discussions of gender and feminism. It generally occurs when I, and others like me, put forward perspectives that conflict with cherished notions held by the (usually female feminist) author or moderator. These are people who are, more often than not, singularly unwilling to accommodate alternative positions. I lost track long ago of the number of times this has happened to me … examples here, here, here, here, and here … courteous posts that were either not uploaded, or uploaded but subsequently removed.

This September 2016 article about domestic violence by Rebecca Poulson is an example where readers comments were overwhelmingly critical of the author’s perspective. The author complained on social media of her comments thread being “hijacked”, with many of those comments subsequently being removed by the moderator.

I don’t mean to be pedantic but the use of the term “hijack” demonstrates the sense of entitlement shown by many feminist writers. The definition of this word entails illegal seizure (of an aircraft, ship, or vehicle for e.g.) whilst in transit, and the use of force to make it travel to a different destination. Readers offering their views is neither illegal nor does it involve force, and others are free at any time to offer their own views.

The following collection of reddit discussion threads detail moderator bias and censorship in relation to threads/posts concerning domestic violence and child abuse – See example 1, example 2, example 3, example 4, example 5 and example 6 (27 October 2014) Includes the following quote from a moderator responding to a query as to why a post was removed: “It needs to be the right information from the right people. Here’s a shorthand guide: if you are an MRA or TRP, you need not bother posting. If your information may tend to make women look bad, same.”

Let’s consider the experience of another who has had similar experiences:

M the Atheist wrote on 3 September 2013
“… I found a thread about rape and power and spent the time to read the post and all the comments, did not seem too hateful and had some reasonable stuff … I wrote a very reasonable and objective post about rape, power and rape culture (based on one of GWW’s videos). I included data, reason, personal experience and points from GWW’s video; and was surprised that it got posted …

I went back a few hours later to find that my post was removed; and I could not figure out why. I went through great pains to make it neuter, people inclusive, and posited GWW’s hypothesis in what I thought was a well mannered and calm, dispassionate way.

They had also posted and allowed to remain other males’ posts. So why not mine? I then realized that they only allow mens’ posts to remain if they can destroy them or if they are easily group-attacked.”

Something similar also happened to Australian TV personality David Koch when he sought to respond to an attack on him posted in a feminist web site. Another example here from the UK.

Regularly when I debate rape/domestic violence stats or related issues on newspaper websites I get deleted (26 May 2015) Reddit mensrights discussion thread

And why settle for having a single post or web page removed when you can have an entire site taken down? Major ‘Men’s Rights’ Site Shuts Down After Paypal, Amazon Bans (2 October 2018) (Re: ‘Roosh V’)

Reddit

With the exception of reddit/r/mensrights and a few others, there is a high probability that any post made that challenges the leftist or feminist narrative will quickly be made to disappear. It will either be removed by a moderator on their own volition or on the basis of the post being reported by users of the forum. This is not ‘tin-foil hat’ stuff, it happened to me as recently as this morning.

Two other common occurrences on Reddit, involving those making posts that challenge or question the prevailing feminist/SJW commentary, are:

Posts being removed from view to due to down-voting. The speed at which this occurs, plus the large number of votes cast, suggest that this is an organised strategy employed by like-minded activists.
Reddit users being banned from posting in particular forums for posting often remarkably benign comments or questions. Examples of this are provided in reddit/r/mensrights on an almost daily basis.

Reddit discussion thread comparing moderator behaviour in mensrights forum versus feminist-dominated forums
Ask feminists-get banned. Post different view-post removed (Reddit discussion thread, August 2014)

(Postscript August 2021) The removal of the MGTOW1 and MGTOW2 subreddits

Facebook

The same trend is also very evident on Facebook. Many of my posts on the Facebook pages of domestic violence advocacy groups ‘The Foundation to Prevent Violence against women and their children‘ (now called ‘Our Watch‘), and Domestic Violence NSW, were removed and I have been blocked from making any further posts. Why? I thought feminism was meant to be inclusive.

Another common tactic employed by feminists on social media is to lodge reports, which may be exaggerated or completely bogus, about Facebook pages maintained by others. They often do so in a co-ordinated manner with their friends/associates, with the aim of having the relevant pages suspended/removed. And in many cases they are successful.

It would be one thing if the administrators at Facebook were applying these rules and restrictions evenly across the board, but that is not the case. What is happening is that Facebook pages with a conservative or egalitarian or anti-feminist slant are being targetted. Meanwhile a blind eye is being turned to questionable content within pages with a leftist/liberal/SJW or feminist slant.

There are further examples and discussion of this trend in articles listed later, in addition to the following:

Feminists take down AFA Facebook page with 70,000 fans (30 June 2017)
Men’s rights Facebook page, A Voice for Men, removed on day of annual conference (10 July 2016)
Facebook removes A Voice for Men’s page (11 April 2016)
York feminists admit ‘censoring free speech’ in Facebook group (23 October 2014)
Feminists post how-to guide on taking down Facebook pages with false reports

Twitter

Developments on Facebook have helped drive many people, both those with anti-feminist/SJW views and trolls alike, across to Twitter where until recently there was a relatively unimpeded flow of ideas and information. Things are now also tightening up there also, both in terms of actions taken by Twitter staff and other users. For an example of the former, google search to see how Twitter have pursued MRA and anti-feminists such as Milo Yiannopoulos. More recently Twitter has introduced tools to enable greater censorship (see here and here).

Many feminists/SJW not only block those that they encounter, but also make use of shared block-lists. Clementine Ford, for example, blocks 133,000 Twitter accounts and invites other feminists to use her list.

Another Australian feminist, Van Badham, revels in her ability to block in this 2019 article.

This means that a Twitter user can find him/herself blocked from another user’s stream even when they have never had contact with that particular person or group. In some cases this may occur simply because your account was red-flagged due to others that you follow.

I have lost count of the number of times I have been blocked – Here are two examples:

In my first example a feminist journalist by the name of Lindy West blocked me. I don’t know Lindy from a bar of soap, but apparently she considers my views on anything/everything to be unacceptable. Really Lindy? As one cheeky reader commented in response to this article, perhaps you’d be better off blocking Twinkies instead.

At least in my second example I actually had some contact with the blocker (Tara Moss) before the hammer fell. That single solitary tweet is shown below:

Worse still, such arrogant dismissal of alternative views is now spreading to publicly-funded femocrats in the Australian public service.

There are further examples and discussion of this trend in articles listed later, in addition to the following:

DESPERATE: Twitter Now Trying To Quarantine Alt-Right After Failure To Destroy It (29 August 2016)
Milo exposes ‘damaged girl’ Clementine Ford (2 August 2016)
Twitter Bans Conservative Blogger, “Kill Trump” Account Still Active 6 Months Later (22 February 2016)
How authoritarian activists are censoring Twitter (10 April 2015)
Twitter is censoring accounts before a single tweet goes out (12 November 2014)
Twitter to be policed by feminist group (10 November 2014) and a related comment by Cathy Young (21 November 2014)

Lobbying against planned events by anti-feminists or men’s rights advocates and/or disrupting events whilst they are underway

In what is becoming a popular strategy to prevent opposing views being heard, feminists are setting off fire alarms at venues hosting MHRA or anti-feminists speakers. If you want to get some idea of how widespread this form of nuisance ‘activism’ is becoming then google on the words ‘feminist protesters pull fire alarm’. Go ahead – you can start by reading this and this. And only recently feminist protestors disrupted a presentation by CAFE.

See also:

Free Speech Union Wins Six-Figure Settlement For Sacked Civil Servant (28 May 2023) And here’s how things look a further further steps down the pathway we are now on here in Australia

UK feminist, Tessa Dunlop, puts her hand over the mouth of a guy appearing on a TV show with her (29 March 2023) Video

Christina Hoff Sommers debated Roxane Gay in Sydney & Melbourne in late March 2019. Refer this article and linked Twitter stream for now, whilst I try to locate a better review (oh and here’s a SMH offering with reader’s comments). Apparently Gay’s leftist supporters focused on disrupting the event rather than letting an actual debate take place.

Senator Stoker targets Sydney Uni’s handling of the demo against Bettina Arndt (26 October 2018) Video. There is no “crisis” … so expect little/no action from Australian universities and/or relevant gov’t agencies.

A University of Texas function in support of Brett Kavanaugh is disrupted by an unhappy leftist (October 2018) Video

Why Do Feminists Protest Men’s Rights Events? (20 November 2017) Video, with related Reddit discussion thread here.

Protesters clash, one arrested, outside The Red Pill screening (11 May 2017) University of Sydney, Australia

Wellesley College Professors Say Offensive Speakers Like Laura Kipnis ‘Harm’ Students and Shouldn’t Be Invited (22 March 2017) USA

Bucknell Professor threatens his conservative students (13 February 2017) Video

UC Berkeley cancels Milo Yiannopoulos event amid violent protest (1 February 2017) USA with further details in this article

MILO UC Davis Event Cancelled After Leftists Tear Down Barricades, Engage In Violence (13 January 2017) USA

UC Berkeley Extremists Dox Student MILO Event Hosts, Post Personal Details & Workplace Address (12 January 2017) USA

Leftist protestors disrupt Shapiro lecture screaming About Swastikas, Booed Out of Event (17 November 2016)

Columbia U. Students Tear Down Posters Advertising Christina Hoff Sommers Visit (22 October 2016)

Feminists remove flyers advertising an “offensive” talk by Christina Hoff Sommers, claim that their vandalism is “freedom of speech” (1 October 2016)

Milo Yiannopoulos at Depaul: Chicago Shutdown #2 (26 May 2016) USA
Rutgers students protest journalist Milo Yiannopoulos’s visit to campus (10 February 2016) USA with related reddit discussion thread here
See the articles in this other post, regarding actions taken by York University (UK) in November 2015 to stop discussion of male issues on International Men’s Day
Masked feminists pull fire alarm yet again at men’s equality lecture in Ottawa, get kicked out by police (6 October 2015) Reddit discussion thread with linked video.
Speaker shouted down at Portland State (13 May 2014)

Uninviting, heckling and/or ejecting non-feminists or anti-feminists attending feminist events

Warren Farrell protest at University of Toronto (29 November 2012) Canada. Video

Bristol University Feminist Society seeks to ban anti-feminist speaker (7 November 2015) Video
Uninvited (22 October 2015) Suzanne Venker uninvited as speaker at Williams College
Breitbart editor ejected from Amber Rose Slutwalk by police (3 October 2015)
Female Group Ejected From Comic Expo For Criticizing Feminism (18 April 2015)

The term ‘anti-democratic’ is way too insipid to describe this pattern of behaviour. This is something more negative, much darker and more pervasive, and which all but precludes any meaningful dialogue. Indeed the direction in which this is already heading is that any comments that are deemed to be anti-feminist and/or sexist will be made illegal on the grounds of combating hate-speech (example). Opposing this trend, at least for those that have the means to take legal action, is legal precedent such as this.

A curious aspect of feminist censorship is that one of its key functions is to block open debate of their own issues. Even the noisiest feminists only want to be heard when they can control the ‘dialogue’. Otherwise … well this challenge by Milo Yiannopolous to Anita Sarkeesian (thus far) illustrates what shrinking violets even high-profile feminists can be when someone else seizes the initiative. Mike Buchanan’s web site features many examples of his own unacknowledged public challenges to feminists to debate significant issues.

Feminists don’t want to debate issues or engage with their opponents, they want to neutralise them by almost any means necessary. What follows is a brief extract from Rules for Radicals‘ as cited in a blog post by Anne Althouse:

“Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)”

Some articles on the general issue of the gradual death of free speech and/or the unwillingness of the liberal left to engage constructively

Penguin Random House staff confront publisher about new Jordan Peterson book (25 November 2020)

Inside the near meltdown of Roxane Gay and Christina Hoff Sommers’s Australian tour. The conversation series didn’t work out as planned (April 2019)

The Counterproductive Suppression of Heterodox Views on Race (10 September 2018)

A chilling study shows how hostile college students are toward free speech (18 September 2017)

Pro-feminist web site ‘Vice’ blocks archiving of their pages (4 July 2017) Caught out too many times publishing false/misleading ‘information’, so prefer to hit and run (& hide the evidence)?

Ayaan Hirsi Ali and the cultural erosion of free speech (5 April 2017)

Camille Paglia: Women Aren’t Free Until Speech Is (21 March 2017)

Campus censorship ratchets up, by Matthew Lesh (16 March 2017)

The left’s sickening superiority complex, by Corrine Barraclough (18 February 2017)

American colleges are approaching a constitutional crisis (28 December 2016)

Liberal minds have snapped shut like clams, by Janice Turner (26 November 2016) UK

Milo interviewed by the BBC (30 October 2016) UK. Video

Jonathan Pie tells the people of the left why Donald Trump won (10 November 2016) Video. A CLASSIC

A university professor speaks out (7 October 2016)

Polite disagreement is now “Hate Speech”, by Andrew Bolt (1 October 2016)

Two good articles in The Australian on 24/25 September 2016 (if you can get behind the paywall): ‘What more in the name of love?‘ by David Crowe, and ‘Straight-out hate in politics of identity‘ by Brendan O’Neill. Neither article specifically mentions feminists, yet very accurately describe their tactics.

CNN’s Sally Kohn: It’s ‘good’ if conservatives feel unable to speak on campus (17 September 2016)

Free speech and the media are too often in a marriage of convenience (12 September 2016) Author unsurprisingly neglects to mention that leftists/feminists are probably the worst offenders with regards to this form of bias.

Sydney University accused of bias after lecturers likened conservative politicians to Nazis (22 August 2016) Australia

Why we need to hear what controversial people say and not silence the debate (21 July 2016) Australia. This article appeared in The Conversation, normally a soapbox for SJW/feminists, so no surprise they pulled this article from the front page of their web site in haste.

Rita Panahi says we’re paying a vicious price for free speech (19 July 2016)

Why today’s young women are just so FEEBLE: They can’t cope with ANY ideas that challenge their right-on view of the world, says a top academic (9 June 2016)

Free speech: Under attack (4 June 2016)

Bomb threat ends Milo Yiannopoulos event at UCLA (1 June 2016)

UMass Amherst students throw temper tantrum at free speech event (26 April 2016) USA

Judge Jeanine: The Left Will ‘Stop at Nothing to Prevent Free Speech’ (13 March 2016) USA

Practices such as no-platforming threaten to strangle the roots of freedom (3 March 2016) UK

Guardian closes comments on three topics (1 February 2016)

Online Censorship Website catalogues Censorship Across Social Media (24 December 2015)

When Society Encourages Mean Girls to Bully Boys (26 November 2015)

Prof Greets Incoming Class of Precious Snowflakes with Speech Crushing Their PC Beliefs (5 November 2015) USA

Feminists redefine free speech: “free speech is the right to EDUCATED speech … if you are not involved in being an EDUCATED citizen, you have no right to free speech” and related reddit discussion thread

The Left’s War on Comments sections (27 October 2015)

Free speech is flunking out on college campuses (22 October 2015)

The Anti-Free-Speech Movement at UCLA (15 October 2015) USA

Rise of the Cultural Libertarians (24 August 2015)

Blurred Lines: The Humanitarian Threat to Free Speech (25 June 2015)

Our generation did not invent political correctness, but we can fight it (20 March 2015)

The state of free speech on campus (UK) A Spiked project

Michael Kennedy and John Carpay: Fighting for free speech on campus (2 December 2014)

Freedom of speech on campus is under attack (29 September 2014)

The new conversation: Everyone is talking but is anyone listening?

“Labels are important tools in identifying socio-cultural problems. Privilege exists. Shaming exists. But when we adopt labels, project them onto others, or create new ones, we sometimes take broad social concepts and individualize them. We use labels to silence those who don’t agree with us, which keeps us from engaging in open, honest conversations. Many people with legitimate opinions and solid ideas are afraid to participate because they are afraid they might say the wrong thing, or say the right thing in the wrong way. When people are silenced, the conversation suffers.”

Similar to the above article is this one entitled ‘“No Platform” was once reserved for violent fascists. Now it’s being used to silence debate‘ (18 March 2014) with other good articles on the same topic at ‘The slow death of free speech‘ (19 April 2014) and ‘Free speech withers when we abandon judgement …‘ (21 April 2014)

This other blog post about George Will is also highly relevant to this topic.

Articles/videos specifically about feminists, and their allies, stifling open discussion of gender issues

How dare you? by Will Loconto (28 March 2023)

Academic activists send a published paper down the memory hole (7 September 2018)

“The Google employee behind a ten-page viewpoint diversity manifesto that went viral online has been fired. James Damore, whose manifesto criticizing the politically correct corporate culture at Google prompted outrage from left-wing employees and social justice warriors online, revealed that he had been fired” (Source) More at:

‘Google Fires Engineer Who Wrote Memo Questioning Women in Tech’ and ‘The Google Memo: Four Scientists Respond‘ (7 August 2017)

Well met, Professor Sullivan (13 March 2017) Video with Karen Straughan

To Milo or not to Milo? (21 February 2017) How the left neutralised a very annoying thorn in their side. A story rich in hypocrisy given what various feminists/SJW have previously said & done & walked away from without penalty.

7 questions to ask yourself before you leave that comment, by Clem Bastow (7 September 2016) Good comment from reader ‘laborite’

I wish men were as interested in discussing gender issues as women are, by Sonia Orchard (1 September 2016) The outrageous naivity and/or hypocrisy of a feminist asking “Why aren’t men discussing how they’re feeling?”

Anti-feminism: The new heresy (17 August 2016) Reddit discussion thread and linked article

Feminist moderator tell guy to STFU re: his views on how men/women portrayed in the media (August 2016)

The irony of feminist censorship (7 August 2016)

UC Irvine suspends college republicans for a year following Milo event (21 June 2016)

Women’s “Equality” Party deletes/disables all comments and ratings for it’s hateful London elections video therefore opposing both freedom of speech AND democracy (26 April 2016)

Being blocked is not the same as being censored, by Clementine Ford (8 April 2016)

Truth wins, Feminists lose (25 January 2016) Canada

Lock Him Up! Feminists Call To Put Milo Yiannopoulos Behind Bars (17 January 2016) UK

Breitbart’s Milo Yiannopoulos: Progressives Shutting Down Discussion by Calling It Harassment (8 January 2016)

From Liberation to Censorship: Does Modern Feminism Have a Problem with Free Speech? (19 December 2015) Video

Clementine Ford tries to silence men (6 December 2015) Video

Censorship for thee, but not for me: the feminist battle cry (1 December 2015)

Domestic violence and the demonization of men, by Bettina Arndt (14 November 2015) Australia

Why is it so deeply aggravating to find moderators deleting moderate comments? (6 November 2015) Reddit discussion thread

Philip Davies MP: ‘Political correctness is damaging men’ (2 November 2015) UK

Archetypal mangina David Futrelle seeks to undermine credibility of film-maker Cassie Jaye because she dared to produce a fair-minded representation of the men’s rights movement. See here, here and here for example

Woman’s Hour: Feminists complain about feminist censorship (4 October 2015)

Why are we so afraid of an anti-abortion activist? (3 October 2015) Australia

Not all comments are created equal: the case for ending online comments, by Jessica Valenti (10 September 2015)

Chrissie Hynde was right about rape. Now feminists want to silence her (31 August 2015)

In this June 2015 paper the One in Three advocacy group recounts the bias and antagonism that they faced whilst contributing to the Australian Senate Inquiry into Domestic Violence

How fainting couch feminism threatens freedom, by Christina H. Sommers (22 June 2015) Video

Nobel Prize-winning scientist, Tim Hunt, says he was forced to resign (15 June 2015) with good follow-up articles here and here.

Why Do Feminists Cook Up Stories About ‘Misogyny’ When They Lose Debates? (11 June 2015)

Georgetown University demands College Republicans edit video showing angry feminist protesters (27 April 2015)

Man arrested twice over a Twitter spat with a cabal of feminists (16 April 2015)

Feminist strategy: containing the non-feminist breakout (23 March 2015)

In college and hiding from scary ideas (21 March 2015) and related mensrights discussion thread

Karen Straughan on why feminists must suppress our voices (17 March 2015)

Columbia student newspaper disables sexual assault comments, while picking and choosing opinions published – Reddit discussion thread and linked article

5 Examples of feminist censorship that will make you rethink online bullying (9 December 2014)

The destructive nature of “It happens to men too!” (21 November 2014)

One of BBC’S Top 100 Women in foul-mouthed attack on ‘InsideMan’ magazine (21 November 2014)

Liberal Feminists, Stop Smearing Critics As Rape Apologists (17 November 2014)

Hungarian non-feminist online magazine censored at a blogging competition (15 November 2014)

KSU YESBody raises funds to protest KSUM conference (9 October 2014) Persecution and censorship of the activities of a male students group on USA campus

Another story the Good Men Project didn’t want you to see (15 October 2014)

Feminist hysteria is causing the infantilization of women (9 October 2014)

Feminist Laci Green is trying to censor Youtube without consent (27 September 2014)

The Politics of Denunciation (20 February 2014)

Article by Bill Frezza entitled ‘Drunk Female Guests Are The Gravest Threat To Fraternities’ pulled from Forbes. Reddit discussion and linked cached copy of article (24 September 2014) Further commentary here.

BBC ‘Men are raised to hate women’ (7 August 2013)

Comments removed from the recent Anita Sarkeesian article in The Conversation (23 September 2014)

Janet Bloomfield’s Twitter account blocked – again (9 September 2014) and then Thunder00t’s Twitter account also cancelled (16 September 2014)

‘Erasing Dad’ – A documentary being censored by feminists (Reddit discussion thread, August 2014)

Protesters fail to shut down men’s issue lecture, but celebrate anyway (11 August 2014)

Moderation rates above 10% on gender topics (10 August 2014) Reddit discussion thread

Here is an article with many readers comments about moderation at the Guardian web site (11 August 2014)

Christie Blatchford: The Twitter trial of Gregory Elliot (23 July 2014)

The many fabricated enemies of feminism (22 July 2014)

Form a posse men … There’s wimmin need rescuing … Giddy up! (11 January 2014)

Why men don’t get a say in feminism (6 June 2014)

Time to take on the feminist bullies (7 July 2014)

Dear men, STFU (30 May 2014)

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/janice-fiamengo-justin-trottier-on-the-agenda/ and Barbara Kay: A new Salon des Refuses (21 May 2014)

If this is the new women’s movement, it’s no wonder girls don’t want to call themselves ‘feminists’

http://blog.studiobrule.com/2014/04/old-guys-are-not-welcome-at-queens.html with a follow-up post here

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/prime-time/867432237001/campus-speech-bullies/3419582098001

http://therightsofman.typepad.co.uk/the_rights_of_man/2013/03/now-official-o2-and-symantec-believe-helping-male-victims-of-domestic-violence-and-sex-abuse-is-hate.html

http://therightsofman.typepad.co.uk/the_rights_of_man/2013/02/the-48-mens-human-rights-sites-feminists-seek-to-censor.html

http://www.mindingthecampus.com/forum/2014/03/disinvitation_season_begins_on.html

http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/news-features/belgium-to-ban-sexist-comments-20140317-34w68.html

http://femalefedupwithfeminism.wordpress.com/2014/03/08/some-thoughts-on-feminists-shutting-down-those-who-dare-to-disagree/

http://underthegoddess.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/why-challenge-to-violence-against-women_26.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

http://www.avoiceformen.com/education/equity-without-equity-universities-love-hate-relationship-with-men/

http://mankindglobalmedia.blogspot.com.au/2014/02/video-lesley-stahl-learns-gender.html?spref=tw (On feminist censorship in the scientific community)

And now to close with something a little different, this April 2015 article in The Guardian claims that men post far more comments online (think news and current affairs web sites), and that this has the effect of “silencing” women. The author also claims, amongst other things, that many women are posting online using male names for “protection“. Firstly this begs the questions how could he know how many of those posting were men/women. Secondly it would be counter-productive to assume a male name for this reason when surveys show that men attract significantly more online abuse/harassment than do women. But the best bit is that the moderator removed my comment. They didn’t even leave the usual “Your comment was removed” message. They silenced me!

“The anarchist Bob Black predicted back in 1982 that feminism would eventually become a totalitarian movement to rival history’s most oppressive tyrannies. Most people find this idea absurd due to gynocentrism, “women are wonderful” and neoteny (and frankly, male vanity). However Black made the point that feminism — since its arguments are completely illogical and do not stand up to scrutiny — could not maintain power except through censorship.

Feminists are attempting to turn all of society into a “safe space” for feminists (not women, not children, certainly not men, just feminists). That includes cyberspace. As more and more people debunk feminist ideology online, calls will grow to “end online misogyny,” with predictable results. There is already a huge chilling effect underway.” (Source)

What did you call me? On labelling and language in gender discourse

One of the many feminist criticisms of the mens rights movement, and particularly MHRA web sites like ‘A Voice for Men’, is that they are characterised by the frequent use of descriptors of women that are offensive and sexist … terms such as sluts or whores.

Personally I have noticed that there is surprisingly little usage of such terms in MRA sites or blogs. Moreover when such terms do appear they are generally found within comments contributed by readers (some of whom are trolls), rather than in the body of posts or articles themselves. Such put-downs also almost invariably relate to feminists rather than women per se.

It was with interest then that I came across this study ‘Cursing in English on Twitter‘ (see section entitled ‘Cursing Vs Gender’ on page 8). Granted, the study wasn’t about MRA/feminist sites, but the findings are still interesting. The study found, for example, that the the use of terms ‘bitch’ ‘slut’ and ‘whore’ by women was more prevalent than the level of use by men.

This post looks at the issue of online harassment, whilst in another blog post I discuss the terms gender traitor, white knight and mangina.

Another related term that has come to be used increasingly widely is ‘cuck‘, which is the shortened version of ‘cuckold‘. The common meaning seems to be a person (generally male) who does the bidding of another whilst not truly invested in that person’s (or groups) cause, for example a politician who supports feminist programs out of fear of castigation and/or in the hope of winning the ‘women’s vote’.

‘Lord protect me from easily offended snowflake girls’ (17 October 2016) Ireland

Women most likely to use misogynistic language on Twitter, report finds (17 October 2016) with related Reddit discussion thread here

David Leyonhjelm: NSW Senator lodges complaint over journalist’s claim he is an ‘angry white male’ (15 August 2016)

Female judge stuns courtroom by telling racist thug: ‘You’re a bit of a c*** yourself’ (11 August 2016)

Are we seriously expected to take any liberal feminist seriously? (10 August 2016)

Corporate Cucks … and the language police who protect and serve them (5 August 2016)

The ‘C’ word (‘cuck’) (19 May 2016) Australia. Reddit discussion thread

“What’s mansplaining?” Senator Mitch Fifield offended by Senator Katy Gallagher’s allegation (10 February 2016) Australia. Video

Why Do Feminists And Social Justice Warriors Use So Much Profanity? (2 February 2016)

Is Kerri Sackville a slut? (18 January 2016)

Manspreading, Transgender and Shaming … How the Left Wing controls language (6 November 2015)

Mansults: the put-downs that are always levelled at straight white males (19 September 2015)