On gender traitors, white knights and manginas

As I discussed in another post within this blog, feminists often display a generous measure of spitefulness and intolerance towards those who don’t share their jaundiced view of the world. The degree of loathing demonstrated seems to depend in part on where people rank in the following list (with one being most loathed):

  1. Female men’s rights activists
  2. Male men’s rights activists
  3. Female celebrities who openly refuse to be labelled as feminists (example: Salma Hayek)
  4. Other women who openly refuse to be labelled as feminists (see this post and here)
  5. Men who claim to be feminists (example)
  6. Everyone else not in their own particular clique

I don’t recall having seen the term ‘gender traitor’ used within a men’s rights web site or forum. Nevertheless, when I googled that term, for some reason I half expected to bring up a list of sites towards the harsher fringes of the so-called ‘Manosphere’. Perhaps this is a hang-over from all those long years of gynocentric brain-washing that I’ve endured.

No, what I found instead was sites where the term ‘gender traitor’ was used by feminist women … sites such as these:

http://www.skepticink.com/skepticallyleft/2012/11/01/gender-traitor-solidarity
http://www.democraticunderground.com/111411793

Interestingly also, when I review the search terms that people use to find my blog, I’ve noted several examples like “Erin Pizzey traitor” or “Karen Straughan traitor” (these being well-known men’s rights activists). And just recently an Australian journalist, Corrine Barraclough, was accused of being a traitor after calling for a gender-neutral approach to domestic violence.

This use of ‘gender traitor’ and other similar terms conflicts with this statement by a feminist writer: “Interesting that feminists do not have a derogatory word for women who are not active in their movement. Maybe men could just respect each other’s opinions and win minds with logic.”

Whilst browsing social media and the WWW, two terms that one may also encounter are ‘White Knight’ and ‘Mangina’. These terms tend, however, to be used with more of a sense of bemusement or mild disgust, rather than white hot anger. It is important to note also, that neither term are used in a blanket sense, i.e. to refer to all men who don’t support the men’s rights agenda. And in fact, many within the men’s rights movement reject the use of the term ‘mangina’ entirely, seeing it as inherently misogynistic.

White Knights are mainly driven by a sense of chivalry, impulsively responding to the impromptu cultural cue of a ‘damsel in distress’. Often white knights are largely ignorant of the nature of both feminism and the men’s rights movement. The historical derivation of the concept of a White Knight is discussed in this blog post.

Here is a recent example of ‘White Knight’ behaviour. Whilst I respect Ian Chappell as a person, his suggestion that cricketer Chris Gayle be banned from playing is an absurdly ‘over-the-top’ response to a relatively benign misdemeanour.

purse_poochWhereas ‘white knights’ can be ingenues in the context of the gender debate, manginas are active and informed. Manginas often consider themselves to be feminists. They are frequently wilfuly persistent in seeking out opportunities to compromise the efforts of those wishing to advance particular objectives of the men’s rights movement and/or counter aspects of feminist ideology.

This is the way one fellow explained the difference between the two:

“A white knight is a man who will mindlessly defend a woman even when she is in the wrong, particularly if he does it out a misguided hope of impressing women with his honor. White knights are not necessarily feminists; they may be traditionalists as well. Women, not just feminists, will manipulate white knights into attacking other men for their own ends (or even just amusement).

A mangina is a man who has embraced the misandry of radical feminism and uses it to denigrate and smear other men in a pathetic attempt to make himself look better by comparison or to specifically curry the favor of feminist women.

A white knight will attack you physically, a mangina will just accuse you of being an exemplar of toxic masculinity. A white knight may be a very masculine man, a mangina never is.” (Source)

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See also:

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Male feminist, Jason Dion Bews, assaults female reporter then women cover his escape into the crowd (24 January 2017) Canada. Will this practice, feminists employing male muscle to fight their fights, become more common? If they get caught, meh, disavow & blame toxic masculinity!

The gendered nature of trolling, by Cory Zanoni (7 October 2016) An example of a mangina in action, employed by a web site widely-recognised for the degree of gender bias which it practices (example).

Things we could celebrate on an International Men’s Day, by Ben McLeay (7 March 2016) Another example of the handiwork of a mangina.

A more aggressive version of a ‘White Knight’ (20 January 2016) UK

Men Cannot Be Feminists, So Let’s Talk About Diversity Instead (10 December 2015) Australia

Beware the Self-Proclaimed Male Feminist (1 December 2015)

Philip Davies: ‘politically correct males pander to militant feminists’ (20 November 2015) UK

Gender identity triangle (3 June 2015) You Tube video

Masculinity, Positive Masculinity, and the White Knight as a Perversion of Masculinity (9 May 2015)

TV ad #4 Gender Traitor? Woman Hater? What kind of women think so? Divorce Attorney Marilyn York  (29 April 2015)

On White Knight syndrome (undated) India

7 reasons why dating feminist men truly sucks by Janet Bloomfield (14 November 2014)

The #GamerGate White Knight syndrome (18 October 2014)

Wanna be a Male Feminist? Okay, here’s what you have to do by Janet Bloomfield (9 August 2013)

Why so few men protest anti-male sexism (Or: Why men fear women) (23 January 2012) Some background to understanding why many men are, the way they are – see also my post on ‘chivalry’.

The One Good Man‘ by Alison Tieman (16 March 2011)

White Knight Syndrome

Manginas – Betrayers of men (20 August 2008)

LibDem Mangina Richard Reeves calls for more housework to be done by men for women (8 March 2013)

The failed manhood of white knights (23 May 2012) by Paul Elam

A Youtube video on what feminism does to men

‘It’s not a contradiction for men to discriminate against other men’ (14 July 2014)

http://manhood101.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=205

http://drewspective.com/2011.11/misandry-distinguishing-lied-to-men-from-white-knights-manginas-pussy-beggars/

Feminism as a mating strategy among beta males (30 June 2014)

#DearFeministMen, there are some people who value your opinions and experiences (2 August 2014)

The Rise of the Mangina (27 November 2013)

Other related posts within this blog:

On chivalry
What did you call me? On labelling and language in gender discourse
Nice guys, nice guys™ and the friendzone (working draft)

Nice guys, nice guys™ and the friendzone

For the time being this post will simply consist of a collection of links on the above topic – I’ll return later to add further order and reason …

Invisible Men – The Red Pill Interviews University Girls (5 September 2017) Australian video

We Need Fraternity Men to Do a Lot More Than ‘Walk a Mile in Her Shoes’ (4 June 2017) This theme, that even men sympathetic to feminism can’t do right, is often encountered. For example, scroll down this page to ‘Sydney Girls High’

On the friend zone, nice guys, and both almost always being a dude (22 April 2017) Reddit discussion thread

David Schwimmer’s sexual harassment films are good. But this is women’s work, by Van Badham (12 April 2017) Men’s job is to listen and obey – not talk or write.

When men claim to be feminists just to abuse women, by Jane Gilmore (15 March 2017) Australia

Men get no pats on the back for basic human decency (14 March 2017) Australia

Sydney Girls High School prefects hit back after Sydney Boys’ viral video (13 March 2017)

What nice men don’t say to nice women (13 April 2016) Video

Why women can’t complain about men (4 December 2016) Video

Beware these 10 types of feminist men (8 August 2016)

Why I’ll never date another male feminist, by Tiana Lowe (August 2016)

Feminism is an inferiority complex and white knights are enablers (11 August 2016)

Nice guys finish first: empathetic boys attract more close female friends (16 June 2016) Predictable offering from ‘The Conversation’

25 new ways to say ‘no’ to feminists (7 June 2016)

http://www.drglover.com/no-more-mr-nice-guy/the-book.html and https://7chan.org/lit/src/Robert_Glover_-_No_More_Mr_Nice_Guy.pdf

On @MattMcGorry, @MeghanEMurphy and the ‘Male Feminist’ Problem (23 May 2016)

Forget alpha males. Betas are the men of the future (22 May 2016) Australia

What nice men don’t say to nice women (14 April 2016) Reddit discussion thread and linked video

Why I’m wary of men who call themselves feminists (14 March 2016)

Why women slag men off for ‘being rubbish’ – and what you should say in response (11 March 2016)

Milo: ‘Male Feminism Is a Sort of Disease’ (23 February 2016) Scroll down to see great comment by ‘David Power’

Pro Tip: Don’t Be a ‘Feminist Man’ (15 February 2016) Oww, the claws are out in this article by Robert Stacy McCain

Amazing read “The Alpha Widow”. Long read but worth it (6 November 2015) Reddit discussion thread

Women’s Greatest Problem: The Myth of the Submissive Alpha Male (25 June 2015)

Masculinity, Positive Masculinity, and the White Knight as a Perversion of Masculinity (9 May 2015)

Radicalising the romanceless (31 August 2014) ** Lots of choice examples of  feminist disdain and mockery of nice guys **

Why great husbands are being abandoned (13 August 2014) Huffington Post article and linked reddit discussion thread

http://www.hookingupsmart.com/2011/02/22/relationshipstrategies/how-women-made-good-men-passe-and-sabotaged-their-own-futures/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nice_guy and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friend_zone

The Friend Zone – Land of the “Nice Guys” (27 July 2014)

Study finds that men like nice women, but not the other way around (25 July 2014)

Yes girls, there is a FriendZone (9 June 2014) Video

Dear Girls Who Are (Finally) Ready To Date Nice Guys: We Don’t Want You Anymore (22 April 2014) Phew, over 7,400 comments!

It Pisses Me Off When Men Call Themselves Feminists (8 August 2013)

http://theconversation.com/strut-your-stuff-how-rockstars-and-peacocks-attract-the-ladies-29045?: Article about the types of guys found attractive to women, and which includes the statement “studies suggest that higher levels of narcissism in men correlated with improved prospects in courting a woman.”

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/29z5zf/can_we_have_a_serious_discussion_about_nice_guys/

http://siryouarebeingmocked.tumblr.com/post/83262651455/the-most-common-and-conspicuous-attribute-of-the

http://www.dailycal.org/2012/07/26/why-good-girls-like-bad-boys/

Okay, MGTOW, I get it now. If this is the option, I’d pass too‘ by Janet Bloomfield (22 April 2014) with a related discussion at reddit/mensrights here and follow-up post here

http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/lax/483318927.html

http://www.returnofkings.com/29989/men-should-not-help-sluts

The normalisation of the trashy single mother

http://www.christophercantwell.com/2014/02/14/re-the-problem-with-nice-guys/

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/22rxm9/of_course_if_it_was_mocking_desperate_women/

The More Chores A Husband Does, The More Likely The Marriage Will End In Divorce (28 September 2012)